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 Neomochtherus? From Rhodes
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| piros |
Posted on 10-11-2015 21:34
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Member Location: Szeged, Hungary Posts: 1766 Joined: 04.01.12 |
Hi, I found two specimens of this fly (both females; I think they are the same sp.) near Faliraki, on 16.06.2015 and 18.06.2015, respectively. They are quite sizable, around 30mm. Is it possible to say something about their ID? Thanks in advance! Greetings, Henrik First specimen: piros attached the following image:  [191.16Kb] Edited by piros on 03-02-2017 01:32 |
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| piros |
Posted on 10-11-2015 21:35
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Member Location: Szeged, Hungary Posts: 1766 Joined: 04.01.12 |
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| piros |
Posted on 10-11-2015 21:36
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| piros |
Posted on 10-11-2015 21:37
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| Quaedfliegh |
Posted on 11-11-2015 01:13
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 Member Location: Tilburg Netherlands Posts: 2207 Joined: 18.05.10 |
I can imagine why you are thinking of Neomochtherus (ovipositor?) but the facial gibbosity is too large and the mystax too "full"...... I do not have an answer for you but maybe have a look at Kurzenkoiellus, (formerly in Machimus)....
Greetings, Reinoud Field guide to the robber flies of the Netherlands and Belgium: https://www.jeugdbondsuitgeverij.nl/product/field-guide-to-the-robberflies-of-the-netherlands-and-belgium/ https://www.nev.nl/diptera/ |
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| piros |
Posted on 12-11-2015 17:02
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Member Location: Szeged, Hungary Posts: 1766 Joined: 04.01.12 |
Hi Reinoud! Thank you very much for your time and interest! Yes, I guessed at Neomochterus because of the shape of the ovipositor. Thanks to your explanation, I can see now why it can not be that genus. Following your advise, I compared these flies to Kurzenkoiellus, but I think there are a number of of features that do not match, for example the ovipositor is sightly upturned in Kurzenkoiellus, while it it somewhat downturned in these flies, and the color of the large bristles are also different. So it seems these remain unnamed. Thanks again! Greetings, Henrik |
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| Quaedfliegh |
Posted on 30-07-2016 21:00
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Member Location: Tilburg Netherlands Posts: 2207 Joined: 18.05.10 |
We overlooked something that might give us an answer : ) at least for the last two pictures.....There seems to be a row bristles present on the anepisternum/mesopleuron > Acanthopleura > Engelepogon...these creatures might well be Engelepogon sp. > naxia and relatives
Edited by Quaedfliegh on 30-07-2016 21:11 Greetings, Reinoud Field guide to the robber flies of the Netherlands and Belgium: https://www.jeugdbondsuitgeverij.nl/product/field-guide-to-the-robberflies-of-the-netherlands-and-belgium/ https://www.nev.nl/diptera/ |
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| piros |
Posted on 31-07-2016 15:05
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Member Location: Szeged, Hungary Posts: 1766 Joined: 04.01.12 |
That must be it!  Thanks a lot Reinoud!Maybe even the sp. could be ID-d at the end... I post an enlargement showing anepisternum. piros attached the following image:  [192.75Kb] |
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| piros |
Posted on 31-07-2016 15:20
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Member Location: Szeged, Hungary Posts: 1766 Joined: 04.01.12 |
In fact, E. naxia seems to fit quite well, according to Engel (as Acanthopleura longimanus Loew). Greetings, Henrik Edited by piros on 31-07-2016 15:21 |
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| Quaedfliegh |
Posted on 31-07-2016 15:28
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Member Location: Tilburg Netherlands Posts: 2207 Joined: 18.05.10 |
I ended up there too in Engel, but Tsacas did a revision 1964 and he comes up withe several new species from the archipelago so we will have to study those... too : )
Greetings, Reinoud Field guide to the robber flies of the Netherlands and Belgium: https://www.jeugdbondsuitgeverij.nl/product/field-guide-to-the-robberflies-of-the-netherlands-and-belgium/ https://www.nev.nl/diptera/ |
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| piros |
Posted on 31-07-2016 15:39
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Member Location: Szeged, Hungary Posts: 1766 Joined: 04.01.12 |
Oh well, life is not easy...   |
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