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 Neomochtherus sp from Crete
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| rvanderweele |
Posted on 27-07-2013 19:54
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Member Location: Zoelmond, the Netherlands Posts: 1984 Joined: 01.11.06 |
Dear friends, from the same location, where I collected the Saropogon cf eucerus I caught 2 females of another species Asilidae. I think they are Neomochtherus, but with the help of the revision of Tsacas I do not come to a final conclusion, so your help is needed. Important is that the palp bears both whitish and black long hairs. rvanderweele attached the following image:  [82.92Kb] ruud van der weele rvanderweele@gmail.com |
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| rvanderweele |
Posted on 27-07-2013 19:55
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Member Location: Zoelmond, the Netherlands Posts: 1984 Joined: 01.11.06 |
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rvanderweele attached the following image:  [170.2Kb] ruud van der weele rvanderweele@gmail.com |
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| rvanderweele |
Posted on 27-07-2013 19:55
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Member Location: Zoelmond, the Netherlands Posts: 1984 Joined: 01.11.06 |
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rvanderweele attached the following image:  [85.22Kb] ruud van der weele rvanderweele@gmail.com |
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| rvanderweele |
Posted on 27-07-2013 19:55
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Member Location: Zoelmond, the Netherlands Posts: 1984 Joined: 01.11.06 |
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rvanderweele attached the following image:  [126.12Kb] ruud van der weele rvanderweele@gmail.com |
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| rvanderweele |
Posted on 27-07-2013 19:56
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Member Location: Zoelmond, the Netherlands Posts: 1984 Joined: 01.11.06 |
so, let me know what other photos you need. I do realize that the biggest problem is that I have only females.
ruud van der weele rvanderweele@gmail.com |
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| Quaedfliegh |
Posted on 31-07-2013 18:12
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 Member Location: Tilburg Netherlands Posts: 2207 Joined: 18.05.10 |
I understand why you came to the conclusion Neomochtherus (shape of ovipositor)but the facial gibbosity is too big. I will have to look this one up...???
Greetings, Reinoud Field guide to the robber flies of the Netherlands and Belgium: https://www.jeugdbondsuitgeverij.nl/product/field-guide-to-the-robberflies-of-the-netherlands-and-belgium/ https://www.nev.nl/diptera/ |
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| Quaedfliegh |
Posted on 31-07-2013 18:22
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Member Location: Tilburg Netherlands Posts: 2207 Joined: 18.05.10 |
Maybe something like this: http://www.diptera.info/forum/viewthread.php?forum_id=2&thread_id=7391 also from crete but a male, legs similar.
Edited by Quaedfliegh on 31-07-2013 18:24 Greetings, Reinoud Field guide to the robber flies of the Netherlands and Belgium: https://www.jeugdbondsuitgeverij.nl/product/field-guide-to-the-robberflies-of-the-netherlands-and-belgium/ https://www.nev.nl/diptera/ |
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| rvanderweele |
Posted on 31-07-2013 18:27
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Member Location: Zoelmond, the Netherlands Posts: 1984 Joined: 01.11.06 |
Hello Reinoud, I simply used the key to the genera in the contributions to a manual etc etc. So if I am wrong with the genus I am not even that surprised. Please, I am very interested in your opinion. ruud van der weele rvanderweele@gmail.com |
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| rvanderweele |
Posted on 31-07-2013 18:29
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Member Location: Zoelmond, the Netherlands Posts: 1984 Joined: 01.11.06 |
Hello Reinoud, I simply used the key to the genera in the contributions to a manual etc etc. So if I am wrong with the genus I am not even that surprised. Please, I am very interested in your opinion. I will check the specimen with the photo this evening, when I am in my study ruud van der weele rvanderweele@gmail.com |
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| rvanderweele |
Posted on 31-07-2013 20:13
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Member Location: Zoelmond, the Netherlands Posts: 1984 Joined: 01.11.06 |
Reinoud, if I compare my two females with the males in the other diptera.info posting then I can imagine that they belong to the same species. I have a description of Engelopogon, but it is in Russian, which I cannot understand. I'd rather follow a description than just comparing some photos, you know. Further I only have the description of "Machimus brunnipes" in FdF, but for me that is certainly not definitive ruud van der weele rvanderweele@gmail.com |
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| Quaedfliegh |
Posted on 01-08-2013 00:18
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Member Location: Tilburg Netherlands Posts: 2207 Joined: 18.05.10 |
It is going to be difficult a lot is still unknown about the species from southern Europe. Machimus brunnipes is Engelepogon brunnipes. This species has no black tripes on femora and the basic segments of the antennae should be yellow. According to Engel the species E. goedli and E. ravus seem to be good candidates. Especially the latter. Both species are known from Greece.
Greetings, Reinoud Field guide to the robber flies of the Netherlands and Belgium: https://www.jeugdbondsuitgeverij.nl/product/field-guide-to-the-robberflies-of-the-netherlands-and-belgium/ https://www.nev.nl/diptera/ |
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| rvanderweele |
Posted on 01-08-2013 06:20
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Member Location: Zoelmond, the Netherlands Posts: 1984 Joined: 01.11.06 |
thanks a lot, Reinoud. I was aware of the brunnipes status, but the description in FdF was not definitive, that is not for me. I will check this evening E. goedli and E. ravus. I don't know whether I have the description,yet I have quite a lot of pdfs about robberflies. I keep you informed. ruud van der weele rvanderweele@gmail.com |
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