Thread subject: Diptera.info :: Saropogon obesulus

Posted by valter on 26-05-2016 21:03
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Location: Portugal
Date: May 2016

Specimen collected

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Thanks,
Valter
Edited by valter on 28-05-2016 16:48

Posted by Piluca_Alvarez on 27-05-2016 18:32
#2
Another chaotic genus in the Iberian Peninsula :(

Let's wait for Reinoud's view, but I would suggest Saropogon leucocephalus. Do you have a more lateral view? It would help...
Edited by Piluca_Alvarez on 27-05-2016 18:33

Posted by valter on 27-05-2016 19:57
#3
Another photo.

Posted by Piluca_Alvarez on 27-05-2016 22:00
#4
Thanks :)

Well, it seems to fit the keys for S. leucocephalus to my eyes...

However, seeing this lateral view there is something wrong about the creature and I don't know what it is. This genus is a nightmare for me :o Probably I am missing something.

Please, wait for Reinoud's opinion. I am not confident at all with this ID :(
Edited by Piluca_Alvarez on 27-05-2016 22:00

Posted by valter on 28-05-2016 12:37
#5
More photos.

Posted by Quaedfliegh on 28-05-2016 16:15
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A clear picture of the side of the thorax would be welcome, but when i use our provisional key i get to S. obesulus. Because leucocephalus has no tomentum on the side of the thorax and this one does at the top of the mesopleuron. : )


But reading Engel description does not fit good ; ( We will have to rework the key ?
Edited by Quaedfliegh on 28-05-2016 16:20

Posted by valter on 28-05-2016 16:26
#7
Many Thanks!

Posted by Quaedfliegh on 28-05-2016 16:58
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Now used key by Engel and i end up with obesulus again..... The colour of the legs don't seem to fit.... the dark femora and hind legs bother me a bit...

Posted by Piluca_Alvarez on 28-05-2016 19:01
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Thanks for your reply Reinoud! :) :)

I see now why I wasn't happy with my own ID. Not only there is indeed tomentum on top of mesopleuron but it is a male, and a male leucocephalus should have black mystax! :) I shouldn't work on Saropogon when I am ready to go to sleep, hehehehehe... ;)

Quaedfliegh wrote:
But reading Engel description does not fit good ; ( We will have to rework the key ?


Well, remember all the trouble Saropogon brought last year ;) We already had serious problems with potential obesulus that didn't fit the description. I think the problem is that Iberian specimens weren't really studied in old works and variability hasn't been taken into account... Yes, certainly keys need to be reworked, ours included ;)
Edited by Piluca_Alvarez on 28-05-2016 19:08