Thread subject: Diptera.info :: Ephydridae Hydrellia puparium ? > Hydrellia
Posted by solito de solis on 23-11-2015 16:16
#1
Hey friends
puparium preserved in formaline/alcohol (5 years old), collected in freshwater stream
larva present in one but so breakable it was impossible to manipulate it
an adult (?) present in the darker one
Length of the puparium
3.2 mm
this one with the adult inside
lateral and dorsal view of 2 pupae
Tip of the anal segment (siphon ?)
spicules on each abdominal segment VV
First segment tip (where the cephalopharyngeal skeleton is fixed inside) Frontal view
cephalopharyngeal skeleton very simple
the adult (?) DV links VV right
merci for the attention
SDS
Edited by solito de solis on 23-11-2015 21:03
Posted by atylotus on 23-11-2015 20:43
#2
Yes, these are the puparia of hydrellia. However, there are parasitic hymenoptera, possibly Ichneumonidae in the skin. Many hydrellia are parasitized, usually only 50% or so contain the fly. The posterior spiracles are 2 pointed elongations to pierce the plants' parenchym for oxygen uptake.
Edited by atylotus on 23-11-2015 20:47
Posted by solito de solis on 23-11-2015 21:03
#3
Thanks
Do you mean that this adult is not Hydrellia...
I can believe as I'm a beginner and I dont'know really what happens outside the water
But Ichneumonidae have 4 wings, two anterior and two posterior and here
there is only 1 pair Wings pad
But the antennae of Hydrellia are really not so long !!
I have a picture of the mouth.. perhaps this will confirm Ichneumonidae
I will post it in a moment
SDS
SDS
Posted by atylotus on 24-11-2015 08:56
#4
The adult is definitely no fly but a parasitic wasp.
Posted by solito de solis on 24-11-2015 14:22
#5
merci Atylotus
I try to understand what happened.
If the pupa has traces of larvae Hydrellia spicules, if the pupa has the shape of a pupa Hydrellia, if it is found in the pupa a cephalopharyngeal skeleton of the larvaa attached to the front tip of the pupa, I have to think that the larva existed to the end of his development.
When therefore the parasitism? The wasp lays its eggs in the larva and an egg grows and develops digesting what is in the pupa before itself becoming an adult as seen in the photo?
I have found an answer
here
http://entnemdept...mbiana.htm
merci
Edited by solito de solis on 24-11-2015 14:46
Posted by solito de solis on 24-11-2015 19:58
#6
After a better observation (and dissolution of CHOH polymers stiking the organism)
I have to apologize, the adult insect (wasp) had 2 pairs of wing pads
A better picture of the head of Hydrellia
SDS
Edited by solito de solis on 24-11-2015 19:59