Thread subject: Diptera.info :: Orange fly from Holland (where else from?)
Posted by Cor Zonneveld on 03-06-2007 16:39
#1
Orange is a national colour in the Netherlands, where I saw this fly! I found it on a oozing oak tree, hided in the shadow side down in grass. The tree was in deciduous forest in the dunes (Amsterdamse Waterleiding Duinen). I realize the photograph is not too much to go on, but I never saw a completely orange fly, so I hope an ID is possible nevertheless. Medium sized, say about 8 - 10 mm.
Posted by Nikita Vikhrev on 03-06-2007 18:10
#2
I'd say it is Phaonia pallida.
Posted by Cor Zonneveld on 03-06-2007 19:40
#3
Thanks! I guess it is a male (touching eyes), or am I mistaken? I wonder what its known distribution is?
Posted by Juergen Peters on 03-06-2007 20:19
#4
Hello!
Nikita Vikhrev wrote:
I'd say it is Phaonia pallida.
I just wanted to post a similar fly from Germany, found yesterday. I was not sure if it was
P. pallida or perhaps
Pegomya silacea from the Anthomyiidae.
Posted by Nikita Vikhrev on 03-06-2007 20:32
#5
Hi Cor and Juergen.
I've just logined to Diptera.info to tell that I have doubts in my ID of Cor's fly - it may be as well Pegomya testacea of Anthomyiidae - thorax seems too shining and A1 seems reaching wing margin.
In case of Juergen fly blackish tarsi get out Pegomya and my test it really looks as Ph.pallida. But I'm not ready to give positive ID...
Posted by Stephane Lebrun on 03-06-2007 20:50
#6
Kahis said one day that Pegomyia never have four post-sutural dc. So I think both are actually males Phaonia pallida.
Regards
Posted by Juergen Peters on 03-06-2007 20:53
#7
Stephane Lebrun wrote:
Kahis said one day that Pegomyia never have four post-sutural dc. So I think both are actually males Phaonia pallida.
Many thanks, Nikita and Stephane!
Edited by Juergen Peters on 03-06-2007 22:49
Posted by Nikita Vikhrev on 03-06-2007 21:26
#8
Thank you for your encouragement, Stephane. Today I'm working with Muscidae and Anthomyiidae collected in Kursk region and time from time I feel that I understand nothing at all anymore in this orange bastard:o One pleasure only - orange Lauxaniidae was given directly to Dr. Shatalkin:D
Nikita
Posted by Xespok on 04-06-2007 06:21
#9
In addition I think the abdomen is too thick for Pegomya. So I would also join the chorus saying Ph. pallida. This species seems to be rather common in Hungary.
Posted by Kahis on 04-06-2007 07:29
#10
Definitely Muscidae. There are some other all-yellow species.
Thricops diaphanus comes to mind, but I think this one is not
diaphanus.