Thread subject: Diptera.info :: Hybotidae

Posted by lema on 09-05-2007 20:50
#1

Hybotidae, I suppose
Slovenia, near forest, 5-7mm,

lema

Posted by lema on 09-05-2007 20:51
#2

another photo

Posted by Nikita Vikhrev on 09-05-2007 20:53
#3

I'd say Empididae, probably Empis itself.

Posted by igor on 09-05-2007 20:59
#4

Hi Nikita!
This is Brachystoma vesiculosum (Fabricius, 1794) and now it is a separate femaly Brachystomatidae.
All the best,
Igor:)

Posted by lema on 09-05-2007 21:16
#5

Thanks,

Fauna Europaea say for Brachystoma vesiculosum -Slovenia - Absent ??:o

Posted by Tony Irwin on 09-05-2007 21:45
#6

I think the prey is Mycetophilidae.

Posted by Nikita Vikhrev on 09-05-2007 21:55
#7

And I think, Lema can start new family in Gallery!

Posted by Kahis on 09-05-2007 22:06
#8

AFAIK the status of Brachystomatidae is not yet widely accepted. Perhaps it is better to keep these flies under Empididae in the gallery at least for now. All currently existing keys will have them in Empididae in any case, so from a purely practical point of new Empididae would be best - at least for the next few years.

Posted by Paul Beuk on 09-05-2007 22:19
#9

Well, that would be they way to hamper propgress of knowledge. It is the same way the Americans still not really use Limoniidae and Hybotidae as a separate families.

Posted by Kahis on 09-05-2007 23:10
#10

Well, I don't think that the comparison is completely valid, since (for example) the Hybotid split is 30 years old while the formal proposal for Brachystomatidae was made only a year ago. There seems to be very few papers on the family that are not written by Sinclair or Cumming.

Unsurprisingly, some researchers disgree with the family on B. on the basis of DNA evidence (which Sinclair & Cumming didn't use). I do not know if the work I've heard about is already published.

Personally I'll keep the Finnish check-list on the 'old order' until a bit of time has passed and critisism this way and that has been aired in full.

I haven't really followed the minutiae of higher-level empidoid phylogeny. Perhaps there is total agreement on the topic and I'm just ignorent :p