Thread subject: Diptera.info :: Hybotidae, Tachydromia umbrarum from Romania

Posted by cosmln on 28-04-2007 07:17
#1

Hi,

yesterday i have seen this small fly (~4mm) running on a wall.
i collected the specimen and now some photo.
romania, nucsoara, ~ 650m, 27.april.2007

is looking very particular but i don't even know i what family to put that :)

maybe someone can help me with that, family, ID...

thanks,
cosmln
EDIT: title changed

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Edited by cosmln on 28-04-2007 08:33

Posted by cosmln on 28-04-2007 07:18
#2

2 and last:

Posted by cosmln on 28-04-2007 07:47
#3

looking thru the gallery i have found Tachydromia umbrarum (Hybotidae). is this one?

cosmln

Posted by Nikita Vikhrev on 28-04-2007 07:52
#4

Yes, Tachydromia and with long 1tar1 and strong spines on posterior part of mesotonum and scutellum, most probably T. umbrarum.
Nikita

Posted by cosmln on 28-04-2007 07:54
#5

Nikita Vikhrev wrote:
Yes, Tachydromia and with long 1tar1 and strong spines on posterior part of mesotonum and scutellum, most probably T. umbrarum.
Nikita


it is collected and on pins, if needed i can do thru binocular more specific photos.

i'm more specially interested because in (fauna europea)http://www.faunaeur.org/full_results.php?id=138323 is not listed for romania.

just let me know.

cosmln

Edited by cosmln on 28-04-2007 07:56

Posted by Nikita Vikhrev on 28-04-2007 08:06
#6

There was some recent thread about Hybotidae key, you can check yourself.
Or write message to Igor (it is Igor Shamshev - true family expert)
Or Paul may confirm.
At least change name to "T. umbrarum?" to get experts attantion;)
Nikita
T. umbrarum is common and widespread species, but I guess fauna of Romanian Hybotidae may be so far overlooked by expers...

Posted by igor on 28-04-2007 10:25
#7

Hi Nikita,
I think your identification is correct. And indeed no records from Romania.
All the best,
Igor :)

Posted by Xespok on 28-04-2007 13:36
#8

Igor,

Can you check whether this is also umbrarum or arrogans?

Link to the image

Another view of a different individual

Edited by Xespok on 28-04-2007 13:37

Posted by igor on 28-04-2007 14:06
#9

Gabor,

Your linked image is T. arrogans. BTW, you could find nice Nikita's pictures of Tachydromia on the Hybotidae Gallery.
Igor:)

Posted by cosmln on 28-04-2007 14:33
#10

igor wrote:
Hi Nikita,
I think your identification is correct. And indeed no records from Romania.
All the best,
Igor :)


Nkita and Igor thanks for your help.
but i need some more information. i'm interested to collect some more specimens. some trichs for this? this exemplary was found from mistake on a wall (or this is the place where to continue searching?)

any additional info are welcome.
cosmln

Posted by Nikita Vikhrev on 28-04-2007 14:41
#11

The wall as well as tree bark are typical places for Tachydromia.
And it is very interesting object to observe (I'm planing myself too).
Some species live on wet sand too.
Nikita

Posted by igor on 28-04-2007 14:48
#12

Gabor,
Maybe this will also help you.
Chvala, 1975: 244 [May-September. Very common on tree-trunks, also on palings, walls, guard-stones or telegraph-poles.]
Igor

Posted by igor on 28-04-2007 14:55
#13

BTW: Kovalev (1966) published very good observations on ecology of Tachydromiinae including Tachydromia (=Tachista) - but in Russian. If you can read, contact me via private message, I'll make a copy.
Igor

Posted by Nikita Vikhrev on 28-04-2007 15:03
#14

I reed Russian!
I want copy!:D

Posted by igor on 28-04-2007 15:15
#15

OK:D

Posted by cosmln on 28-04-2007 15:23
#16

igor wrote:
BTW: Kovalev (1966) published very good observations on ecology of Tachydromiinae including Tachydromia (=Tachista) - but in Russian. If you can read, contact me via private message, I'll make a copy.
Igor


now is the time to remember what i have learned in school.
:)
please send a copy (cosminovidiuatyahoodotcom).
thank you,
cosmln

Posted by igor on 28-04-2007 15:32
#17

Done:)

Posted by Sue Southway on 03-05-2007 14:57
#18

I've just found an identical empid in a sample from England. Looking it up in the Royal Ensoc' key it came out as Sicodus arrogans, when I put this into the British Diptera checklist this had changed the name to Tachydromia costalis. So now I am totally confused!
Can someone tell me which is the correct name, please,
Sue

Posted by jorgemotalmeida on 03-05-2007 15:09
#19

The BioSystematic Database of World Diptera is your friend :) (where I heard this before? :D) -- http://www.sel.barc.usda.gov:591/diptera/names/searchno.htm

Tachydromia costalis is a valid name. ;)
http://www.sel.barc.usda.gov:591/FMPro?-db=names.fp5&-format=%2fdiptera%2fnames%2fdetailno.htm&-lay=www%20detail&-sortfield=unsorted&Name=Tachydromia%20costalis&-max=10&-recid=12876309&-find=

Posted by Sue Southway on 03-05-2007 16:04
#20

Fantastic, thank-you, Jorge,
Sue:)

Posted by igor on 03-05-2007 16:14
#21

Hi,
Both names are valid - two different species. :)
Igor

Posted by conopid on 03-05-2007 22:31
#22

Get these in the gallery! They are excellent photos:)