Thread subject: Diptera.info :: Sarapogon or Saropogon from Crete

Posted by rvanderweele on 25-07-2013 20:45
#1

Dear friends,

I collected last year on may 9th near Vai on Crete, much more to the east was impossible, 2 males Sarapogon or Saropogon ( I see that both names are used in pretty modern papers, so I would like to know which one in the correct one). I cannot determine which species with Theodor 1980 nor with Lindner.
Just look at the beard: it has both white and black hairs or bristles. Is there someone in the group, who can say what species it is?

Posted by rvanderweele on 25-07-2013 20:48
#2

and pic 2

Posted by rvanderweele on 25-07-2013 22:55
#3

I understand that the correct name is actually Saropogon

Posted by Quaedfliegh on 26-07-2013 00:55
#4

We need more pictures from more angles with more light B) The beard is basicly white, the dark hair you from above are the hairs on the palpi. S. jugulum remains a candidate.

Posted by rvanderweele on 26-07-2013 06:23
#5

ah, now we come somewhere. I make this evening another photo of the beard. The beard contains several black hairs; they are certainly not from the palpi. But you will see later, Reinoud.

Posted by rvanderweele on 26-07-2013 17:43
#6

I hope the beard is now visible. Black and white hairs, I think (!) too many black hairs to say that the beard is basically white.

Posted by rvanderweele on 26-07-2013 17:46
#7

another try

Posted by Quaedfliegh on 26-07-2013 20:37
#8

Could you also make pictures of Thorax, back of the head and legs? ;) There are many species similar.

Posted by rvanderweele on 26-07-2013 20:38
#9

thorax lateral or dorsal??

Posted by rvanderweele on 26-07-2013 20:49
#10

I made some more photos. I hope useful!

Posted by rvanderweele on 26-07-2013 20:49
#11

and

Posted by rvanderweele on 26-07-2013 20:50
#12

and

Posted by rvanderweele on 26-07-2013 20:50
#13

and finally

Posted by Quaedfliegh on 26-07-2013 23:21
#14

I wish i could tell you more. But Engel, E.O. 1930 brings me Saropogon cf eucerus. Description fits but not perfectly.

Posted by rvanderweele on 26-07-2013 23:34
#15

I checked also before in Theodor and Lindner, but indeed without any real result. As you see both specimens have a very similar beard with practically the same number of black and white hairs.

Posted by Quaedfliegh on 26-07-2013 23:55
#16

BTW: You are right about the beard. Engel: die groben
Borsten des beim ♂ meist schwarzen, beim ♀ stets hellgelben Knebelbartes sind in einer
Reihe über dem Mundrand angeordnet. and "Abdomen beim ♂ bläulich schwarz mit sehr schmalen elfenbeinweißen Hinterrändern am 2. und 3. Tergit

Posted by rvanderweele on 27-07-2013 00:03
#17

I noticed via Fauna Europaea that S. eucerus is recorded from mainland Greece, but not from Crete before. Well, if we assume the 2 specimens are actually S. eucerus, then it is hardly a surprise that it was collected on the island.