Thread subject: Diptera.info :: Three very small flies
Posted by Juergen Peters on 17-11-2006 19:49
#1
Hello!
These pics were taken yesterday in Ostwestfalen/Germany in our garden and at the forest edge. Can at least the families be determined? Thanks in advance!
The first one was only 2 mm. I have no idea about it.
The second one sat on tree trunks and was about 2.5-3 mm:
The third one was the "largest" with about 4 mm:
Posted by jorgemotalmeida on 17-11-2006 19:54
#2
second - I would say Dolichopodidae
third - I would say Lonchaeidae.
Posted by jorgemotalmeida on 17-11-2006 19:55
#3
perhaps Medetera sp. the second one??
Posted by jorgemotalmeida on 17-11-2006 19:56
#4
I will take the risk for the first one... Chloropidae?
Posted by Paul Beuk on 17-11-2006 20:29
#5
First one gives the impression of Ephydridae.
Posted by Juergen Peters on 17-11-2006 20:32
#6
Hello, Jorge!
Thanks! Chloropidae and Dolichopididae/Medetera sound plausible to me. Cannot judge about Lonchaeidae, never saw a male (?) with such large eyes.
Posted by Juergen Peters on 17-11-2006 20:42
#7
Hello, Paul!
Paul Beuk wrote:
First one gives the impression of Ephydridae.
(Again overlapping posts...) Thanks!
Ephydridae sounds very interesting to me. Never had that family, will take a look at my books for some informations on it.
Posted by jorgemotalmeida on 17-11-2006 20:44
#8
Juergen Peters wrote:
Hello, Paul!
Paul Beuk wrote:
First one gives the impression of Ephydridae.
(Again overlapping posts...) Thanks!
Ephydridae sounds very interesting to me. Never had that family, will take a look at my books for some informations on it.
which books?? :) I?m interesting to hear. :)
I'm searching for books about dipters... and nothing. :(
Just Evolution of insects that I will copy.... :S
Posted by Juergen Peters on 17-11-2006 22:15
#9
Hello, Jorge!
jorgemotalmeida wrote:
which books?? :) I?m interesting to hear. :)
I have only two books solely on flies, no special literature, and they are in German:
1. Joachim & Hiroko Haupt: "Fliegen und M?cken" (ISBN 3-89440-278-4)
2. Frieder Sauer: "Sauers Naturf?hrer: Fliegen und M?cken" (ISBN 3-923010-07-9)
(Fliegen = flies, M?cken = gnats, midges)
Posted by jorgemotalmeida on 17-11-2006 22:32
#10
are they well illustrated, Juergen? With wing venation, details on the legs and other characters?... :| I hope tthat hey are cheap... :)
Edited by jorgemotalmeida on 18-11-2006 20:19
Posted by Tony Irwin on 18-11-2006 01:16
#11
my suggestions (about the flies, not books)
1.
Scaptomyza
2.
Medetera
3. Muscidae
Posted by Paul Beuk on 18-11-2006 11:43
#12
I thought about
Scaptomyza (pallida) but the antennae appeared to big to me and the wings too broad...
Posted by Juergen Peters on 18-11-2006 18:28
#13
Hello, Jorge!
are they well illustrated, Stephen?
?? ;-)
With wing venation, details on the legs and other characters?... :| I hope tthat hey are cheap... :)
The books are only field guides - with nice but only habitus photos (only generic drawings of details of wing venation, bristles etc. in the preface). I've got them from a second-hand book shop for under 10 ? each.
Posted by Juergen Peters on 18-11-2006 18:30
#14
Hello, Paul and Tony!
I see, theese tiny flies are tricky even on family level. I will try to get better pics next time.
Posted by jorgemotalmeida on 18-11-2006 20:23
#15
Juergen Peters wrote:
Hello, Jorge!
are they well illustrated, Stephen?
?? ;-)
>>>>>>>oopppppsss... I forgot to take my LSD.. lol opsss. not lsd but another thing. ehe :D I was in the Moon. :)
I did fix your real :) name.
With wing venation, details on the legs and other characters?... :| I hope tthat hey are cheap... :)
The books are only field guides - with nice but only habitus photos (only generic drawings of details of wing venation, bristles etc. in the preface). I've got them from a second-hand book shop for under 10 ? each.
hmmm... that is what I want. :) German it is not easy... :|
perhaps there must be another good books concerning this subject. if anyone knows, let us to know. :)
Thank you.... for you, Juergen! :)
Edited by jorgemotalmeida on 18-11-2006 20:26
Posted by pierred on 19-11-2006 07:32
#16
jorgemotalmeida wrote:
hmmm... that is what I want. :) German it is not easy... :|
perhaps there must be another good books concerning this subject. if anyone knows, let us to know. :)
The Haupt exists also in French, and maybe in English too.