Thread subject: Diptera.info :: Meiosimyza maybe?
Posted by Andre Jas on 30-10-2006 16:50
#1
Hi,
I know, it's just based on a few images I saw and most of all Nikita's input. That's all I can do.
6-7 mm, august, The Netherlands, at night.
Andr
Edited by Andre Jas on 31-10-2006 14:16
Posted by Nikita Vikhrev on 30-10-2006 17:20
#2
Hi Andre.
I think that Lauxaniidae family is correct.
But Neogriphoneura, as far as I know is Nearctic genus.
In Palearctic it may be Lyciella (it is old name).
Nikita
Posted by Andre Jas on 30-10-2006 20:00
#3
Hi Nikita,
Found more images of same species. Do they confirm Lyciella?
Andr
Posted by Andre Jas on 30-10-2006 20:00
#4
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Posted by Nikita Vikhrev on 31-10-2006 13:58
#5
Andre,
I don't know this family.
If you change thread's name to, for example, "Meiosimyza?", Paul will find it and reply someday.
Nikita
Posted by Andre Jas on 31-10-2006 14:16
#6
Good idea Nikita. Just did.
Andr
Posted by Andre Jas on 07-11-2006 23:00
#7
Hi,
Could someone (maybe Paul) enlighten me?
Thanks.
Posted by rvanderweele on 08-11-2006 09:52
#8
It is for sure a lauxaniidae. This evening I will see whether I can say something more about it
Posted by Andre Jas on 08-11-2006 10:01
#9
Hi Ruud,
If you need close ups or different angles, please say so.:)
Posted by Nikita Vikhrev on 08-11-2006 10:32
#10
Andre,
the silence about your Meiosimyza may be illustrated by my Meiosimyza.
Sochi region, Akhun mount, forest, 28 OKt.
Yesterday Anatolia Shatalkin (at least one of the best in Lauxaniidae) told me that on first investigation my looks like new species. He commented - "late autumn, nobody collected this period..."
Posted by rvanderweele on 08-11-2006 20:43
#11
From Niki?`s photo`s it is soon clear what the difference is between subgenus Meiosimyza and Lyciella: THe first one has only 1 sternopl. bristle, the second has two.
Given the 4 rows of ac, of which the inner ones are much longer than the other ones I think it is Lyciella rorida. I observed this species also very late in the season, but never in November.
Posted by Paul Beuk on 08-11-2006 23:04
#12
Ruud, I thought that according to modern classification
Meiosimyza IS
Lyciella and that they are not subgenera but senior and junior synonym.
Posted by rvanderweele on 08-11-2006 23:14
#13
Always you the Cat. of Pal. Diptera. Yes, Paul, you are right. I was too lazy and used Papp Hungarian key. In it he is still using the old subgenera. In my collection I made no differentation as in the Cat.
The animals of Nikita are, I did not mention, L. platycephala.
BTW, you agree with the species, L.rorida, I presume.
Posted by Andre Jas on 08-11-2006 23:32
#14
Hi Ruud,
Just to fill me in (I don't know all the abbreviations yet):
[Given the 4 rows of ac] (is that anterior dorso-central seta(e)?), of which the inner ones are much longer than the other ones I think it is Lyciella rorida.
So mine is Lyciella rorida, because it has 2 sternopl. bristles and 4 rows of ac?
Posted by Paul Beuk on 09-11-2006 08:36
#15
You may find two rows of setae that are larger than the other setae on the dorsal part of the mesonotum, one on each side of the mid line. These are the dorsocentral setae (dc). Between those two rows may be any number of smaller setae (ranging from 0 to > 20) and these are the acrostichal setae (ac). Please note that these latter setae may not form distinct rows and that dc setae may be all together absent as well.
Posted by Andre Jas on 09-11-2006 09:02
#16
Hi Paul,
That really helps:). Thank you.
Posted by rvanderweele on 10-11-2006 17:32
#17
Paul, thanks for reacting. I was travelling and, thus, unable to react to Andre`s request.
Posted by Nikita Vikhrev on 05-12-2006 20:25
#18
My fly (N4,5) after examination (Anatoly Shatalkin) is -
Mieosimiza rorida.