Thread subject: Diptera.info :: beetle... but which one?
Posted by jorgemotalmeida on 09-10-2006 16:20
#1
Hi
taken today, 9th OCTOBER 2006 in Silgueiros - Viseu - Portugal.
Coleoptera --- beetle... but which one?
Thank you for ID. Never seen a so hairy beetle!
Posted by Robert Nash on 09-10-2006 16:32
#2
c.f.
Tropinota hirta (Poda, 1761) Scarabaeoidea Scarabaeidae Cetoniinae Hairy indeed.
Robert
Posted by Dmitry Gavryushin on 09-10-2006 16:38
#3
I think a
Tropinota squalida (Cetoniinae).
Posted by Robert Nash on 09-10-2006 16:44
#4
You live and learn;)
Tropinota squalida (Cetoniinae) it seems. This led me to the multi-image site
http://galerie-in...iidae.html
Robert
Edited by Robert Nash on 09-10-2006 16:44
Posted by jorgemotalmeida on 09-10-2006 17:38
#5
Robert Nash wrote:
You live and learn;)
Tropinota squalida (Cetoniinae) it seems. This led me to the multi-image site
http://galerie-in...iidae.html
Robert
There is some contradiction... this gallery said that Tropinota spp. belongs to the Cetoniidae family and not Scarabaeidae family... so which is the correct one?
Posted by Xespok on 09-10-2006 17:45
#6
Different family concepts. Scarabaeidae is often split to many families, Dynastidae, Rutelidae, Melolonthidae, Cetoniidae, Geotrupidae and so on. Different authors recognize different splits.
So either Scarabaeidae, Cetoniinae, or Cetoniidae, Cetoniinae.
Posted by jorgemotalmeida on 09-10-2006 18:29
#7
Xespok wrote:
Different family concepts. Scarabaeidae is often split to many families, Dynastidae, Rutelidae, Melolonthidae, Cetoniidae, Geotrupidae and so on. Different authors recognize different splits.
So either Scarabaeidae, Cetoniinae, or Cetoniidae, Cetoniinae.
:) ok. the aethernal discussion. it seems that just specie level is the only natural rank.
Posted by pierred on 09-10-2006 21:36
#8
jorgemotalmeida wrote:There is some contradiction... this gallery said that Tropinota spp. belongs to the Cetoniidae family and not Scarabaeidae family... so which is the correct one?
This site (I am an admin of the gallery) has adopted as a principle to stick with the nomenclature of Fauna europaea, even when we know that it is outdated (even severely, as for Apidae).
Posted by Robert Nash on 10-10-2006 10:16
#9
We must stay with this since Fauna Europaea despite it's limitations and uncertain future is the best European standard we have. It is also universally available and quick to use.With constantly proposed nomenclatural changes often without ICZN approval and systematic changes based on DNA there is a real danger of revisiting the total confusion of the nineteenth century with virtually no agreement between entomologists making all Europe faunistic works and biogeographic analysis impossible .An alarming prospect:o:o but one which our admins have obviously foreseen:p.
Robert
Posted by Robert Nash on 10-10-2006 13:28
#10
Rank confusion?:(:( See note in the Glossary>Rank noting the comment on subjectivity. Robert
Posted by Auke on 30-10-2012 00:01
#11
Bouchard et al. 2011 have checked all historic names of Coleoptera down to subtribes and found it to be Scarabaeidae: Cetoniinae. This may be changed by pending taxonomic revisions though.
Best regards,
Scarabaeoid