Thread subject: Diptera.info :: Which Miltogramma is this?

Posted by conopid on 29-07-2006 14:53
#1

Hello,
We have only two UK Miltogramma species. How are they separated? This one found in an old sand pit in Shropshire.

Edited by conopid on 29-07-2006 14:54

Posted by conopid on 29-07-2006 14:53
#2

facial view:

Posted by Tony Irwin on 29-07-2006 22:26
#3

Hi Nigel - I'm not absolutely certain this is a Miltogramma. :o
Those chunky bristles on the face look like well-differentiated vibrissae, which Miltogramma should not have. I don't have my sarcophagids to hand at present, but when I get a chance, I'll compare your pics to some other species.
In the meantime, could you check how many anterodorsal bristles there are on the mid tibia? (i.e. on the shaft, not at the tip, pointing out and towards the front)
Thanks

Posted by conopid on 30-07-2006 10:31
#4

Hello Tony,
Will do and I will post the results here:)

Posted by conopid on 30-07-2006 12:40
#5

Hello Tony,There is just a single antero-dorsal bristle on the mid tibia. Photo below. I have checked both legs and both have just one bristle in this position.

Posted by Zeegers on 30-07-2006 15:28
#6

A Miltogramminae need to to imply a Miltogramma.

In this case, it is clearly a Miltogramminae but clearly no Miltogramma. Miltogramma lacks vibrissae.
At this moment, cannot tell the correct genus, though


Theo Zeegers

Posted by conopid on 30-07-2006 16:04
#7

Thanks Theo & Tony
Looks like I'll need to invest in a good key then.

Posted by Tony Irwin on 30-07-2006 23:07
#8

Thanks for taking the extra picture, Nigel. It helps a great deal to decide what this fly is not, but, like Theo, I'm stumped to say what it is! :(

Posted by Tony Irwin on 31-07-2006 19:23
#9

Well, I had a look at some flies in my collection, and I reckon this is Senotainia (and having dark palpi therefore conica). There's a bit of variation in the size of the arista and antenna, and in the parafacial hairs, and your specimen appears to be fit quite well. Please let us know if it turns out to be something different when you get the key! ;)

Posted by Zeegers on 31-07-2006 20:50
#10

I was inclined to reach the same conclusion as Tony.

So, it's now two votes for Setotainia

Theo

Posted by conopid on 31-07-2006 21:50
#11

Tony and Theo,
Thanks very much for all the time you have spent on this little puzzle. I will ask Steve Falk for his draft kay and seehow I get on. It may be a while before I reach any conclusions though!

Posted by Liekele Sijstermans on 14-02-2007 11:39
#12

This is obviously Senotainia albifrons.

In the netherlands it occurs in the costal dunes, probably with Bembix rostrata as the host.

Liekele

Posted by Tony Irwin on 15-02-2007 22:06
#13

Hi Liekele
Are you sure about the species? S.albifrons has not been recorded in the British Isles, and this specimen appears to have very dark palpi.

Posted by Liekele Sijstermans on 16-02-2007 22:45
#14

Hi Tony,

Identification with pictures is always difficult. I prefer to see the specimen itself before saying to be sure.

However, the profile of the head in the first picture is like S. albifrons. The coloration of the abdomen is like albifrons and indeed, the dark palpi are like S.albifrons.

If you want to report it as a new species for the English fauna I recommend to send the specimen to me or other Sarcophagidae specialists.

Liekele