Thread subject: Diptera.info :: syrphidae -> Cheilosia cf. laticornis
Posted by Michael Becker on 28-11-2009 07:44
#1
Hello,
this syrphid from july in the austrian alps has too few remarkable characteristics for me. Does someone know, what it is? (Lenght was about 8mm).
Thanks,
Michael
Edited by Michael Becker on 29-11-2009 07:40
Posted by Andre on 28-11-2009 19:59
#2
It's a female
Cheilosia. I don't know if anyone else (Gerard?) dares guessing the species, but I don't..
Posted by Michael Becker on 28-11-2009 20:14
#3
Hello Andre,
thanks for your answer. Then my guess would be Cheilosia pagana, because of the remarkable yellow antennae. Perhaps someone can correct me?
Michael
Posted by Gerard Pennards on 28-11-2009 20:15
#4
How about a female flavipes?
greetings
Posted by Michael Becker on 28-11-2009 21:44
#5
How about a female flavipes?
Because of the remarkable yellow legs? Yes, flavipes fits better. Even if the upper part of the legs (femur?) is black?
Greetings,
Michael
Posted by Gerard Pennards on 28-11-2009 22:00
#6
Ooops, wrong name, I was meaning a female of Cheilosia laticornis. C. flavipes has indeed the femora completely yellow!
Greetings
Posted by Michael Becker on 28-11-2009 22:26
#7
Hello Gerard,
thank you again for the correction. I couldn't find any picture of C. laticornis. Do you think, the identification is certain enough for the gallery?
Michael
Posted by Gerard Pennards on 28-11-2009 23:36
#8
Hmmm, no, not certain enough. Although one can make educated guesses with some Cheilosia, most of them are impossible to identify with certainty from a picture.
At most you could say Cheilosia cf laticornis, wherin cf stands for 'looks like'!
Greetings
Posted by Michael Becker on 29-11-2009 07:39
#9
Hello Gerard,
thank you. I will label it C. cf. laticornis on my hard disk. I think, this is no case for the gallery.
Michael
Posted by John Smit on 29-11-2009 15:29
#10
Why not 'just' C. pagana? The specimen seems to fit this species perfectly: the more or less large reddish antennae, the short brown pilosity on the thorax...
Whereas C. laticornis always has a dark upper edge of the third antennal segment (lacking in this specimen) and the frons is not wide enough for C. laticornis.
Therefore I'ld say C. pagana.
John
Posted by Gerard Pennards on 29-11-2009 15:45
#11
Well, two reasons for not thinking of pagana.
First is that the third antennal segment doesn't look as big as it should be in pagana, but that could be the angle of sight. Second is the more 'dull' appearance of the body, I always tend to think pagana is much more shiny!
But than again, from picture it is as always a crime! :-))
So John's idea is not so bad anyway! :D
greetings
Edited by Gerard Pennards on 29-11-2009 15:46