Thread subject: Diptera.info :: Fly ID
Posted by Muhammad Mahdi on 17-01-2009 11:14
#1
The fly below was a small 5-6mm long fly. Found in Dar es Salaam, Tanzania.
Posted by katerina dvorakova on 17-01-2009 11:34
#2
It is not a fly, it is Hymenoptera, probably Ichneumonidae.
Katka
Posted by Muhammad Mahdi on 17-01-2009 15:45
#3
thanks. Which one is the male and which the female?
PS:Sorry admins, I was not aware this was not a diptera and I don't know how to move this to the other forum on insects.
Posted by pierred on 17-01-2009 16:24
#4
Hello,
An Ophioninae ?
Happy to see the copulation with the female putting its ovipositor to the side.
Edited by pierred on 17-01-2009 16:24
Posted by Muhammad Mahdi on 17-01-2009 20:32
#5
Sub family Ophioninae? Thanks
In the copulation picture, is the one on the right a female and the one to the left a male?
Posted by pierred on 17-01-2009 22:44
#6
Hello,
To be honest, I don't know. But maybe somebody will chime in and tell us the truth.
Posted by Roger Thomason on 17-01-2009 23:16
#7
the one on the right is the female. That's the one with the Ovipositor in the other photo's.
Edited by Roger Thomason on 17-01-2009 23:35
Posted by cthirion on 17-01-2009 23:41
#8
Not Ophioninae for me!
Ovipôsitor is too much long!
Edited by cthirion on 17-01-2009 23:55
Posted by Muhammad Mahdi on 18-01-2009 09:34
#9
Thanks Roger.
cthirion, what sub-family or genus would you suggest?
Posted by Roger Thomason on 18-01-2009 09:45
#10
On that you will be very lucky to get an answer. Camille did have a possible posted, but I think she's had a change of mind. Difficult from photo's, but if anyone can, she can.
How many Brownie Points is that worth ? ;)
Posted by komarik on 18-01-2009 15:10
#11
I think -
Cremastinae.
Posted by cthirion on 18-01-2009 17:10
#12
possible!
Posted by Muhammad Mahdi on 18-01-2009 17:24
#13
from the http://www.forum.hymis.de/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=1482&p=5049#p5049, two users there too said Cremastinae. So I guess its Cremastinae, right?
Camille f you read this, what do you think?
Posted by pierred on 18-01-2009 18:31
#14
Roger,
rogerthomason wrote:
the one on the right is the female. That's the one with the Ovipositor in the other photo's.
Are you sure?
On the first two pictures, the end of the abdomen is rather conical, with the ovipositor aligned. In the copulation picture, the right one has a rather square abdomen.
But I can be wrong (it often happens to me).
Posted by Tony Irwin on 18-01-2009 18:55
#15
I think the shape of the abdomen tip has altered because the ovipositor is upright. Certainly the thoracic colour of the right-hand wasp matches that of the female in the upper pictures.
Posted by cthirion on 18-01-2009 20:03
#16
Pierre, did you ever see Cremastinae?
For Anomalinae and Ophioninae, the length of the onvipositor should not exceed the height of the abdomen, ! The shape of the petiole does not stick either!
to see characteristic of Cremastinae here: http://bitkikorumamuzesi.netfirms.com/ichneumonidae_anahtar.htm#Cremastinae
The ressemblance is wrong!
Posted by cthirion on 18-01-2009 20:09
#17
Thanks Roger!
Posted by cthirion on 18-01-2009 20:16
#18
Muhammad, beautiful photo and rare, I do not know the fauna of your country!
I work especially Ichneumoninae and Diplazontinae d' Europe..
For the other subfamilies, I see when the answers are erroneous but I cannot always put another thing to replace.
I am thus very careful, Pelle on Hymis and Komaric here seems me to be right!
There is always a risk on photograph considering which one does not see all the characters necessary!
Posted by Muhammad Mahdi on 19-01-2009 15:15
#19
Thanks cthirion
Posted by pierred on 20-01-2009 08:34
#20
Tony,
Tony Irwin wrote:
I think the shape of the abdomen tip has altered because the ovipositor is upright. Certainly the thoracic colour of the right-hand wasp matches that of the female in the upper pictures.
Thanks for the correction.
Posted by pierred on 20-01-2009 08:35
#21
Camille,
cthirion wrote:
Pierre, did you ever see Cremastinae?
For Anomalinae and Ophioninae, the length of the onvipositor should not exceed the height of the abdomen, ! The shape of the petiole does not stick either!
I didn't suggest this sub-family.