Thread subject: Diptera.info :: Family ID problems.
Posted by Nikita Vikhrev on 03-06-2006 15:31
#1
Central Turkey, 3 times (24-27may) I collected this fly on forewindow of my (rented) car. Altitiude 1100- 1700, 5,5-6mm.
Looked like greenish Tephritidae with clean wings. But it seems to me that Sc do not reach C.
Posted by Kahis on 04-06-2006 14:32
#2
Tephritidae indeed. Genus
Terellia?
Posted by Nikita Vikhrev on 05-06-2006 14:02
#3
Thank you Kahis.
Posted by Nikita Vikhrev on 08-06-2006 18:57
#4
I remove my Tephritidae in head, because it seems to me that mine and new Tephritidae by elck are of the same genus.
Posted by elck on 08-06-2006 19:08
#5
Sorry, should I have chosen an other title?
Edited by elck on 08-06-2006 19:08
Posted by Nikita Vikhrev on 08-06-2006 21:16
#6
If I'mn't mistaken, both our flies are, according Kahis, Terellia sp.
So we have to wait John Smith appiarence to ID.
Posted by John Smit on 09-06-2006 17:52
#7
Eheh! And you're expecting and ID from me.....
It is
Terrellia alright, the
serratulae-species complex.
Three species in western Europe, I'm not entirely sure if there are more in this complex in Turkey. It's not
T. fuscicornis, for that one has the third antennal segment black.
But it can be either
T. serratulae or
T. longicauda, males are practicaly inseperable, females however are separable.
For the males you need to look at the genitalia, hte hairs on the surstyli are mostly longer in
T. longicauda and shorter in
T. serratulae, but you need reference material and it is not always clear, so you'll need a series of males. So for the next time: collect females!;)
John
Edited by John Smit on 09-06-2006 17:53
Posted by Nikita Vikhrev on 09-06-2006 18:46
#8
One family - collect male, another - collect female. Once someboby will tell me - collect larva!
Thank you John. One out of two species - not bad. And I'll check, may be I have female collected.
Posted by John Smit on 11-06-2006 14:31
#9
Hi Nikita,
It's not even so among different families, but even
within one family!
To be on the safe side, just collect series...;)
John