Thread subject: Diptera.info :: Phaonia ID
Posted by smol on 19-01-2025 12:27
#1
Netherlands, 2 Jan 2024
Observation: https://waarneming.nl/observation/336391858/
I believe this is one of the species with presutural acrostichals present? Wondering if this could be
Phaonia gracilis?
Edited by smol on 19-01-2025 14:58
Posted by smol on 19-01-2025 15:20
#2
Never mind about
Phaonia gracilis, I believe the pre-alar is far too short for this one.
It might rather be,
P. rufipalpis but I have a hard time identifying the palps (which should be completely reddish yellow):
Arista with longer hairs than its basal diameter, presutural acrostichals not strong and pre-alar much shorter than the 2nd notopleural, abdomen ground color, scutellum mainly in ground color, legs (except tarsi) reddish-yellow, longest hair of arista longer then the width of the 3rd antennal segment
Posted by John Carr on 19-01-2025 17:29
#3
The palps here are black.
Posted by smol on 19-01-2025 17:53
#4
John Carr wrote:
The palps here are black.
Thank you very much, than I am sure what the palps are here :)
Would you also say that the pre-alar (red) being much shorter than the 2nd notopleural (green)? If I even got the correct hairs...
Edited by smol on 19-01-2025 17:55
Posted by John Carr on 19-01-2025 19:50
#5
I think the pre-alar is strong. Check the dorsal view. Immediately behind the suture, middle to outside, weak to absent acrostichal, dorsocentral, intra-alar, supra-alar. The first postsutural supra-alar is the pre-alar.
Posted by smol on 19-01-2025 21:02
#6
John Carr wrote:
I think the pre-alar is strong. Check the dorsal view. Immediately behind the suture, middle to outside, weak to absent acrostichal, dorsocentral, intra-alar, supra-alar. The first postsutural supra-alar is the pre-alar.
Thank you very much! Found it, with this, I think it might be "Phaonia tuguriorum".
Appreciate the feedback for my exercise :)
Edited by smol on 19-01-2025 21:03