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 Mycetophilidae, Epicypta ? => Epicypta aterrima
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| evdb |
Posted on 24-11-2019 16:32
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 Member Location: France (Loiret) Posts: 1350 Joined: 05.12.11 |
Hello, I post for a friend from S-E of France. Pictured between nov. 12th and 22th 2019. It looks like Epicypta and wing venation remembers E. limnophila Does it match ? Specimen available if wanted. Thanks for help.  Pierre Gros : France : Cagnes-sur-Mer : 06800 : 12/11/2019 Altitude : 30 m - Taille : 6,7 x 4,0 mm & 5,9 x 3,55 mm Réf. : 243309  Pierre Gros : France : Cagnes-sur-Mer : 06800 : 22/11/2019 Altitude : 30 m - Taille : 6,7 x 4,0 mm (cocon A) & 5,9 x 3,55 mm, cocon b Réf. : 243831  Pierre Gros : France : Cagnes-sur-Mer : 06800 : 22/11/2019 Altitude : 30 m - Taille : 3,9 mm (Lc) & 3,05 mm (La) Réf. : 243832  Pierre Gros : France : Cagnes-sur-Mer : 06800 : 22/11/2019 Altitude : 30 m - Taille : 3,9 mm (Lc) & 3,05 mm (La) Réf. : 243833  Pierre Gros : France : Cagnes-sur-Mer : 06800 : 22/11/2019 Altitude : 30 m - Taille : 3,8 mm (Lc) & 3,15 mm (La) Réf. : 243834  Pierre Gros : France : Cagnes-sur-Mer : 06800 : 26/11/2019 Altitude : 30 m - Taille : 3,8 mm (Lc) & 3,15 mm (La) Réf. : 244066 Edited by evdb on 19-12-2019 19:25 Eugene |
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| evdb |
Posted on 28-11-2019 17:17
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Member Location: France (Loiret) Posts: 1350 Joined: 05.12.11 |
Nobody ?
Eugene |
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| Paul Beuk |
Posted on 29-11-2019 09:51
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 Super Administrator Location: Netherlands Posts: 19365 Joined: 11.05.04 |
Yes, Epicypta. Microscopic examination necessary, often male genitalia, too, for species ID.
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| evdb |
Posted on 29-11-2019 10:02
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Member Location: France (Loiret) Posts: 1350 Joined: 05.12.11 |
Thanks Paul, I ask to Pierre Gros to send you the specimen. Edit. It looks ♀, do you confirm ? and tell me if it will be useful to send it to you ? Edited by evdb on 29-11-2019 11:10 Eugene |
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| Paul Beuk |
Posted on 29-11-2019 12:19
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Super Administrator Location: Netherlands Posts: 19365 Joined: 11.05.04 |
Yes, it is a female. One of the couplets in the key allows for ID-ing both males and females. The character that determines whether this species falls in this couplet or the opther (where genitalia are required for species ID) is the number of small setae present on one of the wing veins. If I have the specimen, I can either ID the species or at least narrow it down to a few.
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| evdb |
Posted on 29-11-2019 12:27
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Member Location: France (Loiret) Posts: 1350 Joined: 05.12.11 |
OK Paul, I relay to P. Gros.
Eugene |
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| evdb |
Posted on 09-12-2019 16:50
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Member Location: France (Loiret) Posts: 1350 Joined: 05.12.11 |
Paul, did you receive the specimen sent on nov. 30 th. ?
Eugene |
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| Paul Beuk |
Posted on 09-12-2019 16:51
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Super Administrator Location: Netherlands Posts: 19365 Joined: 11.05.04 |
Yes, it will be under my microscope tomorrow. 
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| evdb |
Posted on 09-12-2019 16:53
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Member Location: France (Loiret) Posts: 1350 Joined: 05.12.11 |
Fine !
Eugene |
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| evdb |
Posted on 17-12-2019 18:06
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Still under the microscope
Eugene |
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| Paul Beuk |
Posted on 17-12-2019 20:57
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Super Administrator Location: Netherlands Posts: 19365 Joined: 11.05.04 |
Sorry, I identified them but was not at the computer at the time and forgot to reply. Sceptonia aterrima it is. Two specimens, one of them a male, so that made ID-ing them not too complicated after all.
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| evdb |
Posted on 17-12-2019 22:54
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Member Location: France (Loiret) Posts: 1350 Joined: 05.12.11 |
No problem Paul but you agreed with Epicypta and FE does not know Sceptonia aterrima. I suppose you meen Epicypta aterrima (Zetterstedt, 1852) ? Edited by evdb on 17-12-2019 23:07 Eugene |
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| Paul Beuk |
Posted on 18-12-2019 09:32
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Super Administrator Location: Netherlands Posts: 19365 Joined: 11.05.04 |
Sorry, slip of the mind. Epicypta aterrima it is.
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| evdb |
Posted on 18-12-2019 09:35
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Many thanks Paul, from both of us
Eugene |
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| evdb |
Posted on 18-12-2019 10:07
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Member Location: France (Loiret) Posts: 1350 Joined: 05.12.11 |
A last question : where is the male on pictures ?
Eugene |
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| Paul Beuk |
Posted on 18-12-2019 10:53
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Super Administrator Location: Netherlands Posts: 19365 Joined: 11.05.04 |
Well, you judge for yourself. Not easy on the pictures, but attached a photo of the two sp[ecimens. Male on the left, female on the right.
Paul Beuk attached the following image:  [211.78Kb] Paul - - - - Paul Beuk on https://diptera.info |
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| evdb |
Posted on 18-12-2019 11:02
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Member Location: France (Loiret) Posts: 1350 Joined: 05.12.11 |
Thank you very much Paul ; nice picture !
Eugene |
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