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 Sturmia bella? Jerusalem October 10
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| GlassOWater |
Posted on 10-10-2007 12:52
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Member Location: Israel Posts: 117 Joined: 26.09.07 |
Chris Raper, you need to fix your site - Picture windows are frozen sized, and usually in the wrong size. Dorsal view: GlassOWater attached the following image:  [141.85Kb] Edited by GlassOWater on 31-10-2007 13:14 |
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| GlassOWater |
Posted on 10-10-2007 12:53
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Member Location: Israel Posts: 117 Joined: 26.09.07 |
Another dorsal view:
GlassOWater attached the following image:  [123.69Kb] |
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| GlassOWater |
Posted on 10-10-2007 12:55
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Member Location: Israel Posts: 117 Joined: 26.09.07 |
Lateral view: Oh, and it's a female, right? GlassOWater attached the following image:  [173.8Kb] |
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| Zeegers |
Posted on 10-10-2007 19:01
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Member Location: Soest, NL Posts: 18976 Joined: 21.07.04 |
It's a female, it looks 'Sturmiin?' and it might be Sturmia bella. However, there seems to be a second reclinate orbital. So I'd need the specimen to be more sure. Theo |
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| GlassOWater |
Posted on 10-10-2007 21:01
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Member Location: Israel Posts: 117 Joined: 26.09.07 |
Impossible, I'm afraid - This one should be sleeping somewhere in Jerusalem right now. If there are certain organs you need to see, perhaps I have suitable pictures. |
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| ChrisR |
Posted on 10-10-2007 22:23
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 Super Administrator Location: Reading, England Posts: 7703 Joined: 12.07.04 |
Hmm, missing a foot and half the left wing so I'd say it's probably dead anyway by now  From what Theo said he needs a clearer view of the head - particularly the top, showing the arangement of brisles and hairs.  |
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| GlassOWater |
Posted on 31-10-2007 13:13
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Member Location: Israel Posts: 117 Joined: 26.09.07 |
Found a bunch more pictures of the specimen, so I compiled them into this. Perhaps this helps? P.S. I'm sure the big one is also of the same guy, not sure how it got so damaged... GlassOWater attached the following image:  [107.9Kb] |
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| Zeegers |
Posted on 31-10-2007 21:44
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Member Location: Soest, NL Posts: 18976 Joined: 21.07.04 |
Still the same: it should be Sturmia bella, but it has 2 reclinate orbitals. these things do happen. Theo |
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| GlassOWater |
Posted on 01-11-2007 08:50
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Member Location: Israel Posts: 117 Joined: 26.09.07 |
What do you mean by "these things do happen"? Are you talking about possible variation in the species, or that simply it cannot be identified? And also: Do you mean there are two reclinate setae or two pairs of reclinate setae. In the lateral view of the head I find three pairs of them. |
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| Zeegers |
Posted on 01-11-2007 21:18
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Member Location: Soest, NL Posts: 18976 Joined: 21.07.04 |
I ment the first: variation occurs, in this case espcialliy in females. There are 2 pairs of reclinate orbitals. The large pair at the vertex is not counted as such, it is called inner vertical. Theo |
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| GlassOWater |
Posted on 03-11-2007 14:57
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Member Location: Israel Posts: 117 Joined: 26.09.07 |
Thank you for your explanations. I will go for Sturmia cf. bella then! |
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