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 Neomochtherus firmus?
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| Dukegraffio |
Posted on 13-06-2017 13:18
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Member Location: Cesena Italy Posts: 47 Joined: 26.10.16 |
Hello, according to you, it might be a Neomochtherus firmus, thanks for any answers.
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| Dukegraffio |
Posted on 13-06-2017 13:25
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Member Location: Cesena Italy Posts: 47 Joined: 26.10.16 |
Another image....
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| Dukegraffio |
Posted on 13-06-2017 13:30
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Member Location: Cesena Italy Posts: 47 Joined: 26.10.16 |
The photos were taken in Campania, southern Italy |
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| Quaedfliegh |
Posted on 13-06-2017 14:00
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 Member Location: Tilburg Netherlands Posts: 2207 Joined: 18.05.10 |
I don't think this is a Neomochtherus species but rather a Tolmerus or Machimus species.....a picture of a male would be welcome.....
Greetings, Reinoud Field guide to the robber flies of the Netherlands and Belgium: https://www.jeugdbondsuitgeverij.nl/product/field-guide-to-the-robberflies-of-the-netherlands-and-belgium/ https://www.nev.nl/diptera/ |
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| Dukegraffio |
Posted on 13-06-2017 16:16
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Member Location: Cesena Italy Posts: 47 Joined: 26.10.16 |
Many thanks !! |
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| Quaedfliegh |
Posted on 13-06-2017 18:22
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Member Location: Tilburg Netherlands Posts: 2207 Joined: 18.05.10 |
Go look for a male :-) it might be M. minusculus....
Greetings, Reinoud Field guide to the robber flies of the Netherlands and Belgium: https://www.jeugdbondsuitgeverij.nl/product/field-guide-to-the-robberflies-of-the-netherlands-and-belgium/ https://www.nev.nl/diptera/ |
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| Dukegraffio |
Posted on 14-06-2017 16:56
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Member Location: Cesena Italy Posts: 47 Joined: 26.10.16 |
Ok I will try, but it will not be very easy. |
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| Dukegraffio |
Posted on 14-06-2017 17:11
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Member Location: Cesena Italy Posts: 47 Joined: 26.10.16 |
Wow, there are males.
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| Dukegraffio |
Posted on 14-06-2017 17:14
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Member Location: Cesena Italy Posts: 47 Joined: 26.10.16 |
Another photo
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| Dukegraffio |
Posted on 16-06-2017 07:13
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Member Location: Cesena Italy Posts: 47 Joined: 26.10.16 |
Another male.
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| Quaedfliegh |
Posted on 19-06-2017 22:38
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Member Location: Tilburg Netherlands Posts: 2207 Joined: 18.05.10 |
Wow, you found the male....:-) But now i know it is not M. minusculus...:-(..... still have too look further.....
Greetings, Reinoud Field guide to the robber flies of the Netherlands and Belgium: https://www.jeugdbondsuitgeverij.nl/product/field-guide-to-the-robberflies-of-the-netherlands-and-belgium/ https://www.nev.nl/diptera/ |
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| Armen Seropian |
Posted on 20-06-2017 07:12
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Member Location: Georgia, Tbilisi Posts: 391 Joined: 21.03.16 |
Hi, I think yours and mine one could be the same species
Edited by Armen Seropian on 20-06-2017 07:15 |
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| Piluca_Alvarez |
Posted on 20-06-2017 07:54
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 Member Location: Madrid, Spain Posts: 2431 Joined: 06.11.10 |
Armen, I am sure they are not the same species. Their general appearance is very different. And more importantly, genitalia are different as are the thoracic bristles... |
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| Dukegraffio |
Posted on 20-06-2017 10:30
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Member Location: Cesena Italy Posts: 47 Joined: 26.10.16 |
Ok friends, can anybody make a hypothesis of ID, at least the genre? |
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| Piluca_Alvarez |
Posted on 20-06-2017 14:51
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Member Location: Madrid, Spain Posts: 2431 Joined: 06.11.10 |
Reinoud already told you  : Tolmerus or Machimus. It is one of those for sure. But the chaotic taxonomic situation of this group of genera makes the ID from pictures, even just to genus level, almost impossible. Sometimes it is very tricky even with the specimen in hand.I applaud Reinoud as he usually ID from pictures specimens of these very tricky Asilinae with a 'cf.' Very prudent and very wise
Edited by Piluca_Alvarez on 20-06-2017 14:56 |
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| Armen Seropian |
Posted on 20-06-2017 20:39
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Member Location: Georgia, Tbilisi Posts: 391 Joined: 21.03.16 |
Ok Piluca, I believe you are right. Wish anyone could ID my flies  |
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| Quaedfliegh |
Posted on 20-06-2017 21:26
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Member Location: Tilburg Netherlands Posts: 2207 Joined: 18.05.10 |
Thank you Piluca! :-) @ Armen, your species belongs indeed to the same group and M. rusticus could well be right. If your picture were taken in NW Europe i would have been sure...
Greetings, Reinoud Field guide to the robber flies of the Netherlands and Belgium: https://www.jeugdbondsuitgeverij.nl/product/field-guide-to-the-robberflies-of-the-netherlands-and-belgium/ https://www.nev.nl/diptera/ |
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