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| tabiatdostu |
Posted on 14-08-2016 20:33
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Member Location: Türkiye Posts: 387 Joined: 20.11.15 |
İstanbul 14082016 5 mm New Türkey tabiatdostu attached the following image:  [192.75Kb] Edited by tabiatdostu on 08-10-2016 15:34 Nature Friendly, |
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| Quaedfliegh |
Posted on 14-08-2016 23:27
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 Member Location: Tilburg Netherlands Posts: 2215 Joined: 18.05.10 |
It seems to an Andrenosoma sp.
Greetings, Reinoud Field guide to the robber flies of the Netherlands and Belgium: https://www.jeugdbondsuitgeverij.nl/product/field-guide-to-the-robberflies-of-the-netherlands-and-belgium/ https://www.nev.nl/diptera/ |
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| tabiatdostu |
Posted on 18-08-2016 11:49
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Member Location: Türkiye Posts: 387 Joined: 20.11.15 |
Choerades femorata abdomen black ? Nature Friendly, |
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| Quaedfliegh |
Posted on 18-08-2016 23:07
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Member Location: Tilburg Netherlands Posts: 2215 Joined: 18.05.10 |
I still think it is an Andrenosoma species because the proboscis seems to be dorso/ventrally flattened and the shape of the antennae point in that direction. Do you have more pictures?
Greetings, Reinoud Field guide to the robber flies of the Netherlands and Belgium: https://www.jeugdbondsuitgeverij.nl/product/field-guide-to-the-robberflies-of-the-netherlands-and-belgium/ https://www.nev.nl/diptera/ |
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| tabiatdostu |
Posted on 24-08-2016 19:02
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Member Location: Türkiye Posts: 387 Joined: 20.11.15 |
Thank you very much! Reinoud :) I hope we disagreed tabiatdostu attached the following image:  [157.45Kb] Edited by tabiatdostu on 24-08-2016 19:05 Nature Friendly, |
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| Quaedfliegh |
Posted on 25-08-2016 17:36
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Member Location: Tilburg Netherlands Posts: 2215 Joined: 18.05.10 |
Aha! The wing venation clears a lot (but not all) This is a Pogonosoma species closely related to Andrenosoma. I can't find a good key yet but it could be P. minor Loew 1869.
Greetings, Reinoud Field guide to the robber flies of the Netherlands and Belgium: https://www.jeugdbondsuitgeverij.nl/product/field-guide-to-the-robberflies-of-the-netherlands-and-belgium/ https://www.nev.nl/diptera/ |
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| tabiatdostu |
Posted on 26-08-2016 07:01
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Member Location: Türkiye Posts: 387 Joined: 20.11.15 |
Türkey Pogonosoma maroeeanum Fabr. İzmir - Bornova, 17. 5. 1966 new spec. No source 
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| Quaedfliegh |
Posted on 26-08-2016 13:00
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Member Location: Tilburg Netherlands Posts: 2215 Joined: 18.05.10 |
I think you mean P. maroccanum? P. minor is known from a lot of eastern-European countries so it would be very plausible that the species is also present in Turkey. Do you have access to a good checklist for Turkish Diptera (Asilidae in particular)?
Greetings, Reinoud Field guide to the robber flies of the Netherlands and Belgium: https://www.jeugdbondsuitgeverij.nl/product/field-guide-to-the-robberflies-of-the-netherlands-and-belgium/ https://www.nev.nl/diptera/ |
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| tabiatdostu |
Posted on 02-09-2016 09:47
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Member Location: Türkiye Posts: 387 Joined: 20.11.15 |
Hi Reinoud Unfortunately, no new list But I am working  Best regards Fikret Nature Friendly, |
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| Eric Fisher |
Posted on 02-09-2016 20:15
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 Member Location: California Posts: 435 Joined: 19.05.06 |
I'm pleased to verify that Reinoud is correct in his ID of this fly: it is Pogonosoma minor (smaller, darker-legged cousin of the familiar P. maroccanum). Please add to gallery. Thanks, Eric |
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| Quaedfliegh |
Posted on 29-09-2016 23:37
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Member Location: Tilburg Netherlands Posts: 2215 Joined: 18.05.10 |
Thank you Eric.... maybe this is useful, if unknown https://www.researchgate.net/publication/282185562_Diptera_of_Turkey_Priamus_Suppl_28_ii_1-411_186_figs_166_maps_3_tables And indeed P. minor is not in the list... Greetings, Reinoud Field guide to the robber flies of the Netherlands and Belgium: https://www.jeugdbondsuitgeverij.nl/product/field-guide-to-the-robberflies-of-the-netherlands-and-belgium/ https://www.nev.nl/diptera/ |
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| tabiatdostu |
Posted on 07-10-2016 17:48
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Member Location: Türkiye Posts: 387 Joined: 20.11.15 |
Hi I've seen before , P.maroccarum 20 mm in size. but these individuals 10 mm? Türkey Mersin There are record, my friend. Tarsa yellow and intense seta ...I want to know, how? Thank you. Best regards Fikret Edited by tabiatdostu on 07-10-2016 17:55 Nature Friendly, |
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| Quaedfliegh |
Posted on 07-10-2016 22:35
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Member Location: Tilburg Netherlands Posts: 2215 Joined: 18.05.10 |
I am not sure if i understand your question correctly but the species in your pictures is Pogonosoma minor Loew 1869. New species!!!!!!! for Turkey!!!! "minor" means small in Latin. The species is distinctly different from P. maroccanum....
Edited by Quaedfliegh on 09-10-2016 01:52 Greetings, Reinoud Field guide to the robber flies of the Netherlands and Belgium: https://www.jeugdbondsuitgeverij.nl/product/field-guide-to-the-robberflies-of-the-netherlands-and-belgium/ https://www.nev.nl/diptera/ |
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| tabiatdostu |
Posted on 08-10-2016 15:36
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Member Location: Türkiye Posts: 387 Joined: 20.11.15 |
I am so sorry I did not fully understand. I understand now. Best regards Fikret Edited by tabiatdostu on 08-10-2016 15:39 Nature Friendly, |
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| Quaedfliegh |
Posted on 01-06-2018 21:30
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Member Location: Tilburg Netherlands Posts: 2215 Joined: 18.05.10 |
@ Eric Fisher How can this specimen be separated from P. unicolor? They seem to be rather similar....and Loew's description of minor is very limited, both species seem to be small and black, he doesn't describe the abdomen of minor :-(
Edited by Quaedfliegh on 01-06-2018 21:56 Greetings, Reinoud Field guide to the robber flies of the Netherlands and Belgium: https://www.jeugdbondsuitgeverij.nl/product/field-guide-to-the-robberflies-of-the-netherlands-and-belgium/ https://www.nev.nl/diptera/ |
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| Eric Fisher |
Posted on 02-06-2018 20:29
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Member Location: California Posts: 435 Joined: 19.05.06 |
Hi Reinoud, My ID was based on comparisons to photos I took of an identified P. minor female specimen in the BMNH years ago. Otherwise, all I know is the Loew description in Engel... The female I photographed ("Serbia - Jugoslavia"/ identifier not recorded) at BMNH has an entirely pale yellow mystax), so differs somewhat from the photos provided here by tabiatdostu, which show a blacker mystax. Don't know the significance of that really, but inclined to assume simple variation (happens often between American spp. P. ridingsi and P. dorsatum). More info on these seemingly scarce Palaearctic Pogonosoma spp. is clearly needed... Cheers, Eric |
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| Quaedfliegh |
Posted on 03-06-2018 16:25
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Member Location: Tilburg Netherlands Posts: 2215 Joined: 18.05.10 |
Thanks for the clarification Eric!
Greetings, Reinoud Field guide to the robber flies of the Netherlands and Belgium: https://www.jeugdbondsuitgeverij.nl/product/field-guide-to-the-robberflies-of-the-netherlands-and-belgium/ https://www.nev.nl/diptera/ |
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