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 Asilidae (SW France) for ID (thread '4' of 2), identified, Andrenosoma atra
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| Steve O |
Posted on 15-09-2014 14:57
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This is another large-bodied black species from the same coastal sandy environment by a small 'lake' (swamp) surrounded by pine trees referred to as 'Reserve naturelle de l'Etang Cosseau, Aquitaine, France,' taken yesterday, 14 September '14. It appears to be eating another asilid. This would be the 4th species from this region now, with neither sight nor sound of the previous three species yesterday (unless the meal is one of them). Again, any assistance with an identification would be appreciated. Thanks in anticipation. Steve O attached the following image:  [188.02Kb] Edited by Steve O on 19-09-2014 11:18 |
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 15-09-2014 19:31
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 Member Location: Viseu - PORTUGAL Posts: 9296 Joined: 05.06.06 |
bigger photos... please... looks like Andrenossoma. |
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| Quaedfliegh |
Posted on 15-09-2014 22:41
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 Member Location: Tilburg Netherlands Posts: 2218 Joined: 18.05.10 |
It has to be Andrenosoma atra, but we should see wings better. Prey is very probably Tolmerus cf pyragra.
Edited by Quaedfliegh on 16-09-2014 23:19 Greetings, Reinoud Field guide to the robber flies of the Netherlands and Belgium: https://www.jeugdbondsuitgeverij.nl/product/field-guide-to-the-robberflies-of-the-netherlands-and-belgium/ https://www.nev.nl/diptera/ |
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| Steve O |
Posted on 16-09-2014 05:42
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Thanks for yet another quick ID. The best image I can provide of the wing, which isn't very good (seriously cropped; the fly was rather aloof), is attached. I am pulling what hair I have left out trying to attach a larger image ... but attachments and their size are challenging me of late and this attached image is probably no better than the composite I attached earlier (in terms of size and resolution). Thanks in anticipation. Me Steve O attached the following image:  [189.8Kb] Edited by Steve O on 16-09-2014 05:43 |
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| Quaedfliegh |
Posted on 16-09-2014 23:21
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Member Location: Tilburg Netherlands Posts: 2218 Joined: 18.05.10 |
It is almost enough : ) http://www.geller-grimm.de/andrenoe.htm#abb2 That is what i am looking for, first posterior cell closed and stalked. It seems to be closed but is it stalked?
Greetings, Reinoud Field guide to the robber flies of the Netherlands and Belgium: https://www.jeugdbondsuitgeverij.nl/product/field-guide-to-the-robberflies-of-the-netherlands-and-belgium/ https://www.nev.nl/diptera/ |
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| Steve O |
Posted on 18-09-2014 08:09
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Member Location: Posts: 18 Joined: 25.08.14 |
My word. That's a handy illustration. Reinoud, the best I can manage is the attached (enhanced, seriously cropped). None of my images was particularly good for this species; I ran off a few from a distance using whatever settings the camera was at for whatever hapless beast I'd snapped earlier, but as I drew close and started to fumble with the camera to increase lighting and aperture it took off, so all I have are poor. Thank you again. Me Steve O attached the following image:  [182.48Kb] Edited by Steve O on 18-09-2014 08:12 |
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| Quaedfliegh |
Posted on 18-09-2014 19:52
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Member Location: Tilburg Netherlands Posts: 2218 Joined: 18.05.10 |
Stalked > A. atra is confirmed. : )
Greetings, Reinoud Field guide to the robber flies of the Netherlands and Belgium: https://www.jeugdbondsuitgeverij.nl/product/field-guide-to-the-robberflies-of-the-netherlands-and-belgium/ https://www.nev.nl/diptera/ |
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| Steve O |
Posted on 19-09-2014 11:16
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Member Location: Posts: 18 Joined: 25.08.14 |
Magic. Thank you so much. |
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