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 Haematopota ocelligera?
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| clovis |
Posted on 28-06-2014 13:53
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Member Location: North France, lille Posts: 916 Joined: 08.06.10 |
Hi, What do you think about this specimen caught in Camargue? (among some specimen of H bigoti) My hesitation is between ocelligera and subcylindrica  Clovis : France : Arles : 13200 : 17/5/2014 Altitude : 1 m - Taille : 10 mm Réf. : 120842  Clovis : France : Arles : 13200 : 17/5/2014 Altitude : 1 m - Taille : 10 mm Réf. : 120843  Clovis : France : Arles : 13200 : 17/5/2014 Altitude : 1 m - Taille : 10 mm Réf. : 120844  |
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| ValerioW |
Posted on 28-06-2014 15:20
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 Member Location: Padova - Italy Posts: 982 Joined: 01.06.12 |
female pluvialis group for sure (in which your 2 hypothesis reside...at least in 1972 ) |
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| Zeegers |
Posted on 28-06-2014 15:21
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Member Location: Soest, NL Posts: 18976 Joined: 21.07.04 |
Doesn't have clear spots on tergites, therefore, does not look like ocelligera (there is a reason for this name !). Are you sure it is not bigoti ? Femur 2 looks pinkish, but very out of focus. Theo |
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| ValerioW |
Posted on 28-06-2014 15:23
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Member Location: Padova - Italy Posts: 982 Joined: 01.06.12 |
Ok, Theo here! Better wait !
Edited by ValerioW on 28-06-2014 15:26 |
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| Zeegers |
Posted on 28-06-2014 15:26
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Member Location: Soest, NL Posts: 18976 Joined: 21.07.04 |
The third antennal segment will show orange on the inner side, the picture is simply dark and showing the other side. Clovis can check this. Theo |
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| clovis |
Posted on 28-06-2014 16:10
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Member Location: North France, lille Posts: 916 Joined: 08.06.10 |
Well, i'm getting a bit careful on the name of species! (look at Rhagio vitripennis) I'm not sure it's bigoti, as i don't have any specimen (Christoophe collected some specimens with me that turned out to be bigoti, i only caught this one) But fémur 2 is as grey as the other femurs, and there is indeed some orange marking on antennal segment 3. Edited by clovis on 28-06-2014 16:10 |
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| Zeegers |
Posted on 29-06-2014 08:49
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Member Location: Soest, NL Posts: 18976 Joined: 21.07.04 |
OK, thanks. If femur 2 is totally grey, also on the back side, than it cannot be bigoti. So it is either a no-greenish pluvialis (those exist, esp. in Eastern Europe) or subcylindrica. The first antennal segment does not support the latter view. Theo |
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| clovis |
Posted on 29-06-2014 10:58
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Member Location: North France, lille Posts: 916 Joined: 08.06.10 |
Yep, also on dorsal side. So your vote is on pluvialis? (you wan't picture of something to support this opinion?) Well, i wasn't lucky to catch the common one when Christoophe caught bigoti! |
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| Zeegers |
Posted on 29-06-2014 13:51
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Member Location: Soest, NL Posts: 18976 Joined: 21.07.04 |
I think pluvialis is at this point the most likely. Theo |
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