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 Hybotidae, Tachydromia umbrarum from Romania
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| cosmln |
Posted on 28-04-2007 07:17
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 Member Location: Romania Posts: 956 Joined: 18.03.07 |
Hi, yesterday i have seen this small fly (~4mm) running on a wall. i collected the specimen and now some photo. romania, nucsoara, ~ 650m, 27.april.2007 is looking very particular but i don't even know i what family to put that  maybe someone can help me with that, family, ID... thanks, cosmln EDIT: title changed 1: cosmln attached the following image:  [69.4Kb] Edited by cosmln on 28-04-2007 08:33 |
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| cosmln |
Posted on 28-04-2007 07:18
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Member Location: Romania Posts: 956 Joined: 18.03.07 |
2 and last:
cosmln attached the following image:  [74.83Kb] |
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| cosmln |
Posted on 28-04-2007 07:47
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Member Location: Romania Posts: 956 Joined: 18.03.07 |
looking thru the gallery i have found Tachydromia umbrarum (Hybotidae). is this one? cosmln Cosmin-Ovidiu Manci biology & photography ********************** http://cosmln.nature4stock.com - cosmln's place http://dragonfly.nature4stock.com - Dragonflies of Romania http://insects.nature4stock.com - just insects http://mybiosis.org/nature/portal.php?pagename=firstpage - a romanian flora & fauna database and not only ********************** DSLR Collecting Saves Lives! ********************** " Only after the last tree has been cut down, only after the last river has been poisoned, only after the last fish has been caught, only then will you find that money can not be eaten. " an old indian saying |
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| Nikita Vikhrev |
Posted on 28-04-2007 07:52
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 Member Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 9338 Joined: 24.05.05 |
Yes, Tachydromia and with long 1tar1 and strong spines on posterior part of mesotonum and scutellum, most probably T. umbrarum. Nikita Nikita Vikhrev - Zool Museum of Moscow University |
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| cosmln |
Posted on 28-04-2007 07:54
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Member Location: Romania Posts: 956 Joined: 18.03.07 |
Nikita Vikhrev wrote: Yes, Tachydromia and with long 1tar1 and strong spines on posterior part of mesotonum and scutellum, most probably T. umbrarum. Nikita it is collected and on pins, if needed i can do thru binocular more specific photos. i'm more specially interested because in (fauna europea)http://www.faunaeur.org/full_results.php?id=138323 is not listed for romania. just let me know. cosmln Edited by cosmln on 28-04-2007 07:56 |
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| Nikita Vikhrev |
Posted on 28-04-2007 08:06
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Member Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 9338 Joined: 24.05.05 |
There was some recent thread about Hybotidae key, you can check yourself. Or write message to Igor (it is Igor Shamshev - true family expert) Or Paul may confirm. At least change name to "T. umbrarum?" to get experts attantion  Nikita T. umbrarum is common and widespread species, but I guess fauna of Romanian Hybotidae may be so far overlooked by expers... Nikita Vikhrev - Zool Museum of Moscow University |
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| igor |
Posted on 28-04-2007 10:25
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Member Location: Posts: 294 Joined: 23.11.06 |
Hi Nikita, I think your identification is correct. And indeed no records from Romania. All the best, Igor |
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| Xespok |
Posted on 28-04-2007 13:36
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 Member Location: Debrecen, Hungary Posts: 5550 Joined: 02.03.05 |
Igor, Can you check whether this is also umbrarum or arrogans? Link to the image Another view of a different individual Edited by Xespok on 28-04-2007 13:37 Gabor Keresztes Japan Wildlife Gallery Carpathian Basin Wildlife Gallery |
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| igor |
Posted on 28-04-2007 14:06
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Member Location: Posts: 294 Joined: 23.11.06 |
Gabor, Your linked image is T. arrogans. BTW, you could find nice Nikita's pictures of Tachydromia on the Hybotidae Gallery. Igor |
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| cosmln |
Posted on 28-04-2007 14:33
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Member Location: Romania Posts: 956 Joined: 18.03.07 |
igor wrote: Hi Nikita, I think your identification is correct. And indeed no records from Romania. All the best, Igor Nkita and Igor thanks for your help. but i need some more information. i'm interested to collect some more specimens. some trichs for this? this exemplary was found from mistake on a wall (or this is the place where to continue searching?) any additional info are welcome. cosmln |
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| Nikita Vikhrev |
Posted on 28-04-2007 14:41
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Member Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 9338 Joined: 24.05.05 |
The wall as well as tree bark are typical places for Tachydromia. And it is very interesting object to observe (I'm planing myself too). Some species live on wet sand too. Nikita Nikita Vikhrev - Zool Museum of Moscow University |
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| igor |
Posted on 28-04-2007 14:48
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Member Location: Posts: 294 Joined: 23.11.06 |
Gabor, Maybe this will also help you. Chvala, 1975: 244 [May-September. Very common on tree-trunks, also on palings, walls, guard-stones or telegraph-poles.] Igor |
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| igor |
Posted on 28-04-2007 14:55
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Member Location: Posts: 294 Joined: 23.11.06 |
BTW: Kovalev (1966) published very good observations on ecology of Tachydromiinae including Tachydromia (=Tachista) - but in Russian. If you can read, contact me via private message, I'll make a copy. Igor |
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| Nikita Vikhrev |
Posted on 28-04-2007 15:03
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Member Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 9338 Joined: 24.05.05 |
I reed Russian! I want copy! 
Nikita Vikhrev - Zool Museum of Moscow University |
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| igor |
Posted on 28-04-2007 15:15
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Member Location: Posts: 294 Joined: 23.11.06 |
OK |
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| cosmln |
Posted on 28-04-2007 15:23
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Member Location: Romania Posts: 956 Joined: 18.03.07 |
igor wrote: BTW: Kovalev (1966) published very good observations on ecology of Tachydromiinae including Tachydromia (=Tachista) - but in Russian. If you can read, contact me via private message, I'll make a copy. Igor now is the time to remember what i have learned in school. please send a copy (cosminovidiuatyahoodotcom). thank you, cosmln |
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| igor |
Posted on 28-04-2007 15:32
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Member Location: Posts: 294 Joined: 23.11.06 |
Done |
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| Sue Southway |
Posted on 03-05-2007 14:57
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Member Location: New Forest, Hampshire, UK Posts: 32 Joined: 07.03.07 |
I've just found an identical empid in a sample from England. Looking it up in the Royal Ensoc' key it came out as Sicodus arrogans, when I put this into the British Diptera checklist this had changed the name to Tachydromia costalis. So now I am totally confused! Can someone tell me which is the correct name, please, Sue |
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 03-05-2007 15:09
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 Member Location: Viseu - PORTUGAL Posts: 9295 Joined: 05.06.06 |
The BioSystematic Database of World Diptera is your friend (where I heard this before? ) -- http://www.sel.barc.usda.gov:591/diptera/names/searchno.htm Tachydromia costalis is a valid name. http://www.sel.barc.usda.gov:591/FMPro?-db=names.fp5&-format=%2fdiptera%2fnames%2fdetailno.htm&-lay=www%20detail&-sortfield=unsorted&Name=Tachydromia%20costalis&-max=10&-recid=12876309&-find= |
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| Sue Southway |
Posted on 03-05-2007 16:04
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Member Location: New Forest, Hampshire, UK Posts: 32 Joined: 07.03.07 |
Fantastic, thank-you, Jorge, Sue |
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