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| Marcello |
Posted on 02-07-2013 23:12
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Member Location: Padua - Northeast Italy Posts: 577 Joined: 01.07.12 |
Hello, I don't know this family, too hard to ID for me. Is there any chance to reach the specie? I hope at least the genus is right  Long about 7-8 mm, two black spots on the final abdomen, no spots/marks on the wings 01.07.2013 - Northeast Italy  IMG_4168 di Marcello Consolo, su Flickr I add the checklist of my Country: Sapromyza (Sapromyza) apicalis Loew, 1847 (N) Sapromyza (Sapromyza) bisigillata Rondani, 1868 (N) Sapromyza (Sapromyza) intonsa Loew, 1847 (N, S) Sapromyza (Sapromyza) obsoleta Fallén, 1820 (N, S) Sapromyza (Sapromyza) obscuripennis Loew, 1847 (N) Sapromyza (Sapromyza) opaca Becker, 1895 (N) Sapromyza (Sapromyza) palpella Rondani, 1868 (N, S) Sapromyza (Sapromyza) sexpunctata Meigen, 1826 (N, S) Sapromyza (Sapromyza) simplicior Hendel, 1908 (N) (*) Sapromyza (Sapromyza) tuberculosa Becker, 1895 (N) Sapromyza (Sapromyza) trinotata O.G. Costa, 1844 (N?) Sapromyza (Sapromyzosoma) quadricincta Becker, 1895 (N, S) Sapromyza (Sapromyzosoma) quadripunctata (Linnaeus, 1758) (N, S) Where N = North, S = South (I'm in North Italy) Thanks for the help. Ciao, Marcello Edited by Marcello on 02-07-2013 23:15 http://www.flickr...loconsolo/ |
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| Mark-uk |
Posted on 03-07-2013 00:09
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 Member Location: UK - Hampshire Posts: 792 Joined: 01.02.10 |
Interesting one! It has spots on it's abdomen and black palpi I would rule out the follow species with spots, as they all have yellow papli Sapromyza opaca Sapromyza sexpunctata Sapromyza quadricincta Sapromyza quadripunctata Mark |
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| Marcello |
Posted on 03-07-2013 22:57
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Member Location: Padua - Northeast Italy Posts: 577 Joined: 01.07.12 |
Thanks Mark, I'm reading some key's text, maybe there other two species to exclude. But we have to add Sapromyza albiceps Fallen 1820 wich by faunaeur is present in my country. No spot/marks on the front, black spot on T5 and T6, by the key of Schacht et al. 2004 it could be Sapromyza albiceps (?) Edited by Marcello on 03-07-2013 23:32 http://www.flickr...loconsolo/ |
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| Marcello |
Posted on 04-07-2013 09:59
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Member Location: Padua - Northeast Italy Posts: 577 Joined: 01.07.12 |
Not S. bisigillata, beacuse it have the spot only in T6 and the size, S. bisigillata is at least half of this one.
Edited by Marcello on 04-07-2013 09:59 http://www.flickr...loconsolo/ |
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| Marcello |
Posted on 05-07-2013 21:57
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Member Location: Padua - Northeast Italy Posts: 577 Joined: 01.07.12 |
Dorsal view: IMG_4180 di Marcello Consolo, su Flickr http://www.flickr...loconsolo/ |
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| Mark-uk |
Posted on 05-07-2013 22:48
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Member Location: UK - Hampshire Posts: 792 Joined: 01.02.10 |
doesn’t not nook like any on the UK list.... do you have a key for Italian species? |
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| Marcello |
Posted on 06-07-2013 19:26
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Member Location: Padua - Northeast Italy Posts: 577 Joined: 01.07.12 |
I'm unable to find one with the body more large than 5mm, btw I have this: Translation of keys of SHATALKIN, A.l. 1000 (Keys to the Palaearctic Flies of the Family Lauxaniidae (Diptera) Zoologicheskie lssledovania 5, 102 pp., 2II figs, terminology. Moscow) I'm asking here if someone have other keys, thanks for now, I'll advice you if I found somethings. Ciao, Marcello Mark-uk wrote:
doesn’t not nook like any on the UK list.... do you have a key for Italian species? http://www.flickr...loconsolo/ |
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| Mark-uk |
Posted on 06-07-2013 19:34
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Member Location: UK - Hampshire Posts: 792 Joined: 01.02.10 |
The translation Shatalkin's keys are reliant on one having the Original (In Russian) for the illustrations, and for the most part male genitalia. Worth having if you have an interest in the group. I was hoping you had a key to the Italian/Mediterranean species i was not aware of. |
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| Marcello |
Posted on 06-07-2013 22:33
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Member Location: Padua - Northeast Italy Posts: 577 Joined: 01.07.12 |
I have the one in Russian too for the illustration, but I think I need something more near to me. I'm asking for the key to Italian species, but I don't know if exist some text like this. http://www.flickr...loconsolo/ |
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| Marcello |
Posted on 06-07-2013 23:03
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Member Location: Padua - Northeast Italy Posts: 577 Joined: 01.07.12 |
Frontal view:
Edited by Marcello on 06-07-2013 23:03 http://www.flickr...loconsolo/ |
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| lweit |
Posted on 13-10-2015 13:19
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Member Location: France, Département de la Moselle Posts: 609 Joined: 23.12.05 |
Hello Isn'it Sapromyza albiceps (white face) ? Louis |
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| Mark-uk |
Posted on 13-10-2015 23:50
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Member Location: UK - Hampshire Posts: 792 Joined: 01.02.10 |
Not Sapromyza albiceps that has white above antenna (in males), and only one orbital also (in males). but this is a female see http://www.dipter..._0857m.jpg Sapromyza albiceps male Edited by Mark-uk on 13-10-2015 23:55 |
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| Paul Beuk |
Posted on 14-06-2023 07:58
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 Super Administrator Location: Netherlands Posts: 19367 Joined: 11.05.04 |
From what I can see it still looks good for Sapromyza bisigillata. If we take the length to inlcude thewings, it might well have been 7 mm. Black tips to the palpi, a single pair of spots on the abdomen and the smudge lines on the scutum together make it bisigillata in my book.
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