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| Juergen Peters |
Posted on 21-01-2007 00:54
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Hello! Here two Muscids (size of a normal house fly) from yesterday night at our house (Ostwestfalen/Germany). The one on pics 1+2 should belong to genus Phaonia (?). Is the one on pic 3 a Polietes? Thanks in advance!   
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| Juergen Peters |
Posted on 22-01-2007 01:28
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Member Location: northwest Germany Posts: 13918 Joined: 11.09.04 |
Hello! Here two additional indivuduals of the first fly from tonight:  
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| Susan R Walter |
Posted on 25-01-2007 13:51
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 Member Location: Touraine du Sud, central France Posts: 1802 Joined: 14.01.06 |
Jurgen What about Muscina for your 3rd image? I don't think Polietes has that orange tip to the scutellum, and Muscina spp do. Susan |
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| Juergen Peters |
Posted on 25-01-2007 18:36
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Member Location: northwest Germany Posts: 13918 Joined: 11.09.04 |
Hello, Susan! Susan R Walter wrote: What about Muscina for your 3rd image? That was my first guess, too. But when looking at the gallery, I found that this genus has a rather Calliphoridae-like bend in its wing venation: http://www.dipter...oto_id=916 which I can't see on my specimen. Best regards, Jürgen -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Juergen Peters Borgholzhausen, Germany WWW: http://insektenfo... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= |
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| Susan R Walter |
Posted on 25-01-2007 19:20
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Member Location: Touraine du Sud, central France Posts: 1802 Joined: 14.01.06 |
Jurgen I thought the M vein wasn't bent enough too, but then I saw Jan's new picture of Muscina stabulans in the gallery and wondered...maybe they vary a bit or maybe the angle of the shot is important in how you see the vein. Susan |
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| Juergen Peters |
Posted on 25-01-2007 23:37
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Member Location: northwest Germany Posts: 13918 Joined: 11.09.04 |
Hello, Susan! Susan R Walter wrote: I thought the M vein wasn't bent enough too, but then I saw Jan's new picture of Muscina stabulans in the gallery and wondered...maybe they vary a bit or maybe the angle of the shot is important in how you see the vein. Ah, thanks! I did not see the newer pics, yet, only had a look at the M. prolapsa photos. The vein in stabulans seems to be much less bent than in prolapsa, but still more than in my specimen. Unfortunately I don't know the other two Muscina species here in Germany (levida and pascuorum, according to "Entomofauna germanica"). Best regards, Jürgen -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Juergen Peters Borgholzhausen, Germany WWW: http://insektenfo... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= |
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| Susan R Walter |
Posted on 26-01-2007 10:47
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Member Location: Touraine du Sud, central France Posts: 1802 Joined: 14.01.06 |
Jurgen See my thread from a while ago re Muscina levida - it shows a clearly bent M vein (not helping my theory, but never mind  ). I'll get it into the gallery when I have a moment. http://www.dipter...#post_5426 See also Gabor's thread http://www.dipter...post_14363 - quite a gentle bend there.
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| Juergen Peters |
Posted on 26-01-2007 19:43
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Member Location: northwest Germany Posts: 13918 Joined: 11.09.04 |
Hello, Susan! Susan R Walter wrote: See my thread from a while ago re Muscina levida - it shows a clearly bent M vein (not helping my theory, but never mind;)). I'll get it into the gallery when I have a moment. http://www.dipter...#post_5426 See also Gabor's thread http://www.dipter...post_14363 - quite a gentle bend there. Thanks a lot! The one in the second thread resembles mine much more with its only slightly bent M vein. Best regards, Jürgen -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Juergen Peters Borgholzhausen, Germany WWW: http://insektenfo... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= |
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