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 Asilidae - Leptogaster cylindrica??
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| Auratus |
Posted on 07-02-2012 18:48
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Member Location: Edam - Netherlands Posts: 306 Joined: 24.05.10 |
Collected end of August 2011 in Portugal in the vicinity of Porto. I think this may be Leptogaster cylindrica, am i right? According to Fauna Europaea however the genus Leptogaster is not known from Portugal, which makes me hesitant. Thanks in advance Auratus attached the following image:  [144.24Kb] Edited by Auratus on 09-02-2012 22:18 Greetings, Jan |
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| Quaedfliegh |
Posted on 08-02-2012 23:17
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 Member Location: Tilburg Netherlands Posts: 2207 Joined: 18.05.10 |
I think it is another species because of the shape of the hind tibia. Can you place pictures of wings, thorax and genitalia?
Greetings, Reinoud Field guide to the robber flies of the Netherlands and Belgium: https://www.jeugdbondsuitgeverij.nl/product/field-guide-to-the-robberflies-of-the-netherlands-and-belgium/ https://www.nev.nl/diptera/ |
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| Auratus |
Posted on 09-02-2012 11:38
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Member Location: Edam - Netherlands Posts: 306 Joined: 24.05.10 |
Hello Reinoud, Thanks for watching. I have added pictures of wing and legs, hope it is sufficient. Clear picture of the genitals are a bit more difficult to produce. See what i can do in the evening. Auratus attached the following image:  [153.44Kb] Greetings, Jan |
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| Auratus |
Posted on 09-02-2012 11:39
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Member Location: Edam - Netherlands Posts: 306 Joined: 24.05.10 |
Leg(s)
Auratus attached the following image:  [148.11Kb] Greetings, Jan |
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| Auratus |
Posted on 09-02-2012 18:04
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Member Location: Edam - Netherlands Posts: 306 Joined: 24.05.10 |
Genitals 1
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| Auratus |
Posted on 09-02-2012 18:05
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Member Location: Edam - Netherlands Posts: 306 Joined: 24.05.10 |
Genitals 2
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| Quaedfliegh |
Posted on 09-02-2012 20:27
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Member Location: Tilburg Netherlands Posts: 2207 Joined: 18.05.10 |
Shape of genital is different from cylindrica as is shape of hind tibia. In key of EO Engel step 1. asks pterostigma..... To me it looks as if this wing has a pterostigma but i have no experience with exotic Leptogasters. but if it is really a stigma then.....I am not at home at this moment so it might take some time before i react next time.
Greetings, Reinoud Field guide to the robber flies of the Netherlands and Belgium: https://www.jeugdbondsuitgeverij.nl/product/field-guide-to-the-robberflies-of-the-netherlands-and-belgium/ https://www.nev.nl/diptera/ |
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| Auratus |
Posted on 09-02-2012 22:21
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Member Location: Edam - Netherlands Posts: 306 Joined: 24.05.10 |
Thanks again Reinoud, i'm not in a hurry  .
Greetings, Jan |
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| Quaedfliegh |
Posted on 15-02-2012 22:37
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Member Location: Tilburg Netherlands Posts: 2207 Joined: 18.05.10 |
Hello Jan, I need more... A clear picture of the head with occipital bristles, antennae and palpi visible.....
Greetings, Reinoud Field guide to the robber flies of the Netherlands and Belgium: https://www.jeugdbondsuitgeverij.nl/product/field-guide-to-the-robberflies-of-the-netherlands-and-belgium/ https://www.nev.nl/diptera/ |
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| Quaedfliegh |
Posted on 15-02-2012 22:45
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Member Location: Tilburg Netherlands Posts: 2207 Joined: 18.05.10 |
Hello Jan, I need more... A clear picture of the head with occipital bristles, antennae and palpi visible..... Key by Engel probably too old.
Greetings, Reinoud Field guide to the robber flies of the Netherlands and Belgium: https://www.jeugdbondsuitgeverij.nl/product/field-guide-to-the-robberflies-of-the-netherlands-and-belgium/ https://www.nev.nl/diptera/ |
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| Quaedfliegh |
Posted on 15-02-2012 22:53
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Member Location: Tilburg Netherlands Posts: 2207 Joined: 18.05.10 |
Although i still think that the hind tibia are strangly shaped, it probably is L. cf cylindrica hispanica..... It seems that there is little known about the Asilidae in Portugal. I think we might assume that they will have a lot in common with Spain.
Greetings, Reinoud Field guide to the robber flies of the Netherlands and Belgium: https://www.jeugdbondsuitgeverij.nl/product/field-guide-to-the-robberflies-of-the-netherlands-and-belgium/ https://www.nev.nl/diptera/ |
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| Auratus |
Posted on 16-02-2012 13:20
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Member Location: Edam - Netherlands Posts: 306 Joined: 24.05.10 |
Hello Reinoud, Thats exactly the problem, the lack of available literature. I just have some literature of the Dutch species, which is of course absolutely insufficient. Unfortunately i also do not have the key by Engel you are referring to. And i thought this would be the easy one, because i have some other species from that region as well I appriciate the effort you have put in it untill now. Here are the pictures you requested, hope ther is sufficient detail on them. Auratus attached the following image:  [182.14Kb] Greetings, Jan |
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| Auratus |
Posted on 16-02-2012 13:20
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Member Location: Edam - Netherlands Posts: 306 Joined: 24.05.10 |
Palpi
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| Auratus |
Posted on 16-02-2012 13:22
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Member Location: Edam - Netherlands Posts: 306 Joined: 24.05.10 |
Occi
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| Auratus |
Posted on 16-02-2012 13:23
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Member Location: Edam - Netherlands Posts: 306 Joined: 24.05.10 |
Antennae
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| Auratus |
Posted on 06-03-2012 11:36
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Member Location: Edam - Netherlands Posts: 306 Joined: 24.05.10 |
Hello Reinoud, I pressume the additional photo's did not change (confirm or reject) your previous conclusion? Greetings, Jan |
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| Quaedfliegh |
Posted on 06-03-2012 22:46
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Member Location: Tilburg Netherlands Posts: 2207 Joined: 18.05.10 |
Sorry Jan, You are right in your presumption. Key by Engel mentions species that are no longer accepted according to Fauna Europaea. My key became useless despite your pictures. I just don't know... : ( Greetings, Reinoud Field guide to the robber flies of the Netherlands and Belgium: https://www.jeugdbondsuitgeverij.nl/product/field-guide-to-the-robberflies-of-the-netherlands-and-belgium/ https://www.nev.nl/diptera/ |
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| Auratus |
Posted on 07-03-2012 13:15
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Member Location: Edam - Netherlands Posts: 306 Joined: 24.05.10 |
Oke Reinoud, Thanks for all your efforts. I will keep it as Leptogaster cf cylindrica hispanica. Greetings, Jan |
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| Quaedfliegh |
Posted on 08-03-2012 14:50
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Member Location: Tilburg Netherlands Posts: 2207 Joined: 18.05.10 |
Addendum: Used key by Seguy now and. The bristles on the back of the head seem black according to key by Seguy i end up with L. hispanica. This is however no longer a valid species. Wing venation supports L. cylindrica. Maybe if we put one and one together.... Remains a cf i'm afraid. Until i find a recent key.. Greetings, Reinoud Field guide to the robber flies of the Netherlands and Belgium: https://www.jeugdbondsuitgeverij.nl/product/field-guide-to-the-robberflies-of-the-netherlands-and-belgium/ https://www.nev.nl/diptera/ |
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| Auratus |
Posted on 08-03-2012 18:16
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Member Location: Edam - Netherlands Posts: 306 Joined: 24.05.10 |
Reinoud, when you find a key, as stated before, please let me know. I have more Portugese Asilids waiting for a name FYI, I have checked it and the bristles on the back of the head are black. Edited by Auratus on 08-03-2012 18:18 Greetings, Jan |
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