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 Asilidae male ?
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| Christine Devillers |
Posted on 14-12-2011 20:20
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 Member Location: Spa, Belgium Posts: 1215 Joined: 11.11.07 |
Hi, Is it a male of Neoitamus ? (Belgium,13-07-2009) Christine Devillers attached the following image:  [194.34Kb] Edited by Christine Devillers on 14-12-2011 20:22 |
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| Quaedfliegh |
Posted on 16-12-2011 12:43
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 Member Location: Tilburg Netherlands Posts: 2219 Joined: 18.05.10 |
Maybe, do you have more pictures, from the side for instance?
Edited by Quaedfliegh on 16-12-2011 12:45 Greetings, Reinoud Field guide to the robber flies of the Netherlands and Belgium: https://www.jeugdbondsuitgeverij.nl/product/field-guide-to-the-robberflies-of-the-netherlands-and-belgium/ https://www.nev.nl/diptera/ |
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| Mark van Veen |
Posted on 16-12-2011 14:41
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 Member Location: Zeist, Netherlands Posts: 145 Joined: 12.05.04 |
Given the coloration of the wings, I would say Pamponerus germanicus. |
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| Christine Devillers |
Posted on 16-12-2011 15:33
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Member Location: Spa, Belgium Posts: 1215 Joined: 11.11.07 |
Thanks, unfortunately no other pictures for this one. Does this zoom help to confirm Pamponerus germanicus ?
Christine Devillers attached the following image:  [50.63Kb] Edited by Christine Devillers on 16-12-2011 15:38 |
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| Quaedfliegh |
Posted on 16-12-2011 17:00
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Member Location: Tilburg Netherlands Posts: 2219 Joined: 18.05.10 |
To me it seems not hairy enough for Pamponerus and too thin, although not clearly visible, the beard seems to thin too. Last segments of abdomen are black, so it could also be one of the other species of Neoitamus. Picture taken in july that is pretty late for Pamponerus.
Edited by Quaedfliegh on 16-12-2011 17:01 Greetings, Reinoud Field guide to the robber flies of the Netherlands and Belgium: https://www.jeugdbondsuitgeverij.nl/product/field-guide-to-the-robberflies-of-the-netherlands-and-belgium/ https://www.nev.nl/diptera/ |
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| Christine Devillers |
Posted on 16-12-2011 20:56
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Member Location: Spa, Belgium Posts: 1215 Joined: 11.11.07 |
Thanks for those explanations  |
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| Quaedfliegh |
Posted on 16-12-2011 22:27
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Member Location: Tilburg Netherlands Posts: 2219 Joined: 18.05.10 |
Please note that i am not sure! Just compared pictures with pamponerus and noticed that their abdomens can be very dark, to black too. Still, i think this to be a Neoitamus sp. But that is more a feeling, based on small things like meta-tarsi, shape of genital segments, over all shape. Mark is referring to the base of the wing, a Pamponerus should have a milky white base in contrast with rest of wing. In this picture i think it is the lightfall.
Edited by Quaedfliegh on 16-12-2011 22:32 Greetings, Reinoud Field guide to the robber flies of the Netherlands and Belgium: https://www.jeugdbondsuitgeverij.nl/product/field-guide-to-the-robberflies-of-the-netherlands-and-belgium/ https://www.nev.nl/diptera/ |
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| Mark van Veen |
Posted on 18-12-2011 09:44
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Member Location: Zeist, Netherlands Posts: 145 Joined: 12.05.04 |
I wish I had it in my hand, then things would be easy. |
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| Christine Devillers |
Posted on 18-12-2011 12:01
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Member Location: Spa, Belgium Posts: 1215 Joined: 11.11.07 |
Sorry, but I didn't collect it. I've also read in your book and in the Stubbs that tarsi are greatly orange in Pampoherus. It seems to be greatly black on mine, so perhaps again a feature for Neoitamus ? I forgot to tell that I've seen it in a rocky area (no sand there) near Aywaille (Province de Liège) Edited by Christine Devillers on 18-12-2011 12:08 |
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