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| Pierre-Nicolas Libert |
Posted on 26-10-2006 14:29
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Member Location: Belgium Posts: 82 Joined: 31.08.04 |
What should I use to identify Heleomyzidae to species level? Many thanks Pierre-Nicolas Pierre-Nicolas |
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| Andrzej |
Posted on 26-10-2006 14:46
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Member Location: Poland Posts: 2405 Joined: 05.01.06 |
Mon cher Pierre-Nicolas, As you are a Diptera specialist you should start to verify all known Catalogues, i.e. the Catalogue of Palaearctic Diptera. Unfortunately, there is no one key for its identifications. There are some old papers but without types examination you will not be sure which species is really correctly determined. The main papers regarding the West-Europaean Heleomyzid are those made by Czerny (1909-1937). See Catalogue of Palaearctic Diptera (vol. 10 from 1984). A key to Bristish heleomyzid given by Collin (1943) was also good ! But please note, that a lot of species has been described after the second World War ! Andrzej (a specialist in Heleomyzidae s. lato) |
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| Pierre-Nicolas Libert |
Posted on 27-10-2006 14:43
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Member Location: Belgium Posts: 82 Joined: 31.08.04 |
Hi Andrej, So if I understand well, without any referece collection it would be difficult for me to identify my material. May I ask you if you'd be interested by its identification? What do you mean by Heleomyzidae sensu lato, what are the other families? Have a nice week-end, Pierre-Nicolas Pierre-Nicolas |
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| Robert Nash |
Posted on 27-10-2006 15:23
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Member Location: Ulster Museum, Belfast, Ireland Posts: 288 Joined: 11.11.05 |
A very interesting question Pierre-Nicolas All of the subfamilies of Heleomyzidae have been commonly recognized as families in the past, but are now included within the Heleomyzidae (Borboropsidae, Heteromyzidae, Rhinotoridae and Trixoscelididae), as well as taxa of lower rank in (Chiropteromyzidae, Cnemospathidae and Notomyzidae).As I understand this but could you confirm this please Andrzej.I can then modify my texts. RobertRobert |
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| Andrzej |
Posted on 27-10-2006 15:36
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Member Location: Poland Posts: 2405 Joined: 05.01.06 |
Accord !. It is not easy dispute about it when you are an expert  .The last generic review (except Old world genera) has been made in 1985 by McAlpine, D.K., but the last infos about the family(ies) limits is given by Laszlo Papp in the Contribution to a Manual of .... in 1998  Andrzej |
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| rvanderweele |
Posted on 02-11-2006 15:12
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Member Location: Leiden, the Netherlands Posts: 1988 Joined: 01.11.06 |
There is quite an excellent key in the Magyar Allatvilaga. It is written by Laszlo Papp. The only problem is that it is in Hungarian. |
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| Andrzej |
Posted on 02-11-2006 16:02
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Member Location: Poland Posts: 2405 Joined: 05.01.06 |
Dear Rud !. Explain please, how many Heleomyzid species (or genera ?) are into the book included from the West Palaearctic and how many are recognized ?. Andrzej  |
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| Paul Beuk |
Posted on 02-11-2006 16:52
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 Super Administrator Location: Netherlands Posts: 19403 Joined: 11.05.04 |
Ruud, you mean Fauna Hungariae?
Paul - - - - Paul Beuk on https://diptera.info |
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| Andrzej |
Posted on 02-11-2006 17:25
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Member Location: Poland Posts: 2405 Joined: 05.01.06 |
Hi Paul, I hope it is a rhetorical question only ?.  Andrzej |
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| Paul Beuk |
Posted on 02-11-2006 20:12
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Super Administrator Location: Netherlands Posts: 19403 Joined: 11.05.04 |
No, I just wanted confirmation. My Hungarian is not such that I am certain that Magyar Allatvilaga and Fauna Hungariae mean the same. though I can hardly imagine Papp doing two keys on the Hungarian fauna.
Paul - - - - Paul Beuk on https://diptera.info |
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| rvanderweele |
Posted on 03-11-2006 09:41
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Member Location: Leiden, the Netherlands Posts: 1988 Joined: 01.11.06 |
fore sure, sorry, I am used to the Hungarian name. When writing the name of Laszlo Papp I always have to think carefully, since an hungarian would write Papp Laszlo. Sometimes it is good to be able to speak and read Hungarian, sometimes it has its disadvantages, apparantly |
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| jonas |
Posted on 31-12-2010 11:00
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Member Location: Posts: 351 Joined: 06.05.07 |
Hi, some years have passed now since this question was asked... Are there any recent papers concerning ID of Heleomyzidae lately? Or is it still best to rely on Czerny and Collin's papers? I have some specimens still waiting for ID ;-) Thank you! Bye, Jonas |
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| JariF |
Posted on 31-12-2010 11:50
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 Member Location: Helsinki, Finland Posts: 2072 Joined: 20.01.06 |
I would be very interested too. Last summer I collected a large number of Heleomyzidae with beer traps and basically Bei-Bienko is the only usable key I have from this area. Jari |
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| libor |
Posted on 31-12-2010 13:46
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Member Location: western Bohemia Posts: 1284 Joined: 30.05.09 |
Jari, can you write me any results of your beer trapping? I use it regularly in the Czech Republic (with my wife Katerina Dvorakova). Only Suillia spp. are in our beer traps. We would highly appreciate all available results for a comparison or info about any published papers with Heleomyzidae in beer (or similar) traps! Libor |
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| JariF |
Posted on 31-12-2010 15:25
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Member Location: Helsinki, Finland Posts: 2072 Joined: 20.01.06 |
Yes, but please be patient because it will take time before they are all done Jari |
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| blowave |
Posted on 21-01-2012 15:41
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 Member Location: LINCOLN, UK Posts: 3151 Joined: 27.06.07 |
"Keys to The Insects of The European Part of The USSR, Volume 5" might help. There's other families included. http://books.goog...mp;f=false http://cubits.org... |
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| KWQ |
Posted on 31-01-2012 20:25
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Member Location: Turku, Finland Posts: 208 Joined: 10.12.04 |
That "Keys to the insects of Russia..." blowave recommended is the same contribution JariF earlier referred to as "Bei-Bienko" which is just our local term. A magnificent cold-war-era aid particularly to us in Finland, since it contains all the north-western heleomyzids in Russia. But the problem remains that female heleomyzids remain quite hard to determine, that Russian key by Gorodkov is largely based on males. |
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| mossnisse |
Posted on 31-01-2012 21:24
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 Member Location: Sweden, Umeå Posts: 442 Joined: 19.01.12 |
most of the Heleomyzid i have collected belongs to the genera Suillia i have tried Bei-benko, online key british species http://www.online-keys.net/infusions/keys/keys_view.php?key_no=19 and a key in Swedish over the Swedish speces in Hedström, L.: Svenska insektfynd-rapport 8. [Swedish insect records- report 8.] - Ent.Tidskr. 116 (3): 101-117. But i haven't succeded to make realible determinations |
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| KWQ |
Posted on 01-02-2012 07:39
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Member Location: Turku, Finland Posts: 208 Joined: 10.12.04 |
Suillia is well-covered and actually one of the most up-to-date families still in Bei-Bienko, although some species-pairs require genital studies. The other heleomyzid genera can occasionally be more problematic, you're right. You can put inquiries in the "General query"-department here or send pictures. Andrzej is a real heleomyzid specialist here and I am also interested in hearing about the Swedish species (although bad at determining from pictures). |
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| KWQ |
Posted on 01-02-2012 07:41
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Member Location: Turku, Finland Posts: 208 Joined: 10.12.04 |
I forgot to add that I didn't know about that Hedström's article or key on Swedish heleomyzids. Sounds interesting, thanks mossnisse! |
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