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 beetle... but which one?
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 09-10-2006 16:20
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 Member Location: Viseu - PORTUGAL Posts: 9296 Joined: 05.06.06 |
Hi taken today, 9th OCTOBER 2006 in Silgueiros - Viseu - Portugal. Coleoptera --- beetle... but which one? Thank you for ID. Never seen a so hairy beetle!  |
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| Robert Nash |
Posted on 09-10-2006 16:32
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Member Location: Ulster Museum, Belfast, Ireland Posts: 288 Joined: 11.11.05 |
c.f. Tropinota hirta (Poda, 1761) Scarabaeoidea Scarabaeidae Cetoniinae Hairy indeed. Robert |
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| Dmitry Gavryushin |
Posted on 09-10-2006 16:38
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 Member Location: Moscow region, Russia Posts: 3303 Joined: 17.10.05 |
I think a Tropinota squalida (Cetoniinae). |
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| Robert Nash |
Posted on 09-10-2006 16:44
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Member Location: Ulster Museum, Belfast, Ireland Posts: 288 Joined: 11.11.05 |
You live and learn Tropinota squalida (Cetoniinae) it seems. This led me to the multi-image site http://galerie-in...iidae.html Robert Edited by Robert Nash on 09-10-2006 16:44 |
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 09-10-2006 17:38
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Member Location: Viseu - PORTUGAL Posts: 9296 Joined: 05.06.06 |
Robert Nash wrote: You live and learn Tropinota squalida (Cetoniinae) it seems. This led me to the multi-image site http://galerie-in...iidae.html Robert There is some contradiction... this gallery said that Tropinota spp. belongs to the Cetoniidae family and not Scarabaeidae family... so which is the correct one? |
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| Xespok |
Posted on 09-10-2006 17:45
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 Member Location: Debrecen, Hungary Posts: 5550 Joined: 02.03.05 |
Different family concepts. Scarabaeidae is often split to many families, Dynastidae, Rutelidae, Melolonthidae, Cetoniidae, Geotrupidae and so on. Different authors recognize different splits. So either Scarabaeidae, Cetoniinae, or Cetoniidae, Cetoniinae. |
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 09-10-2006 18:29
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Member Location: Viseu - PORTUGAL Posts: 9296 Joined: 05.06.06 |
Xespok wrote: Different family concepts. Scarabaeidae is often split to many families, Dynastidae, Rutelidae, Melolonthidae, Cetoniidae, Geotrupidae and so on. Different authors recognize different splits. So either Scarabaeidae, Cetoniinae, or Cetoniidae, Cetoniinae.  ok. the aethernal discussion. it seems that just specie level is the only natural rank. |
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| pierred |
Posted on 09-10-2006 21:36
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 Member Location: Paris (France) Posts: 1431 Joined: 21.04.05 |
jorgemotalmeida wrote:There is some contradiction... this gallery said that Tropinota spp. belongs to the Cetoniidae family and not Scarabaeidae family... so which is the correct one? This site (I am an admin of the gallery) has adopted as a principle to stick with the nomenclature of Fauna europaea, even when we know that it is outdated (even severely, as for Apidae). Pierre Duhem |
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| Robert Nash |
Posted on 10-10-2006 10:16
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Member Location: Ulster Museum, Belfast, Ireland Posts: 288 Joined: 11.11.05 |
We must stay with this since Fauna Europaea despite it's limitations and uncertain future is the best European standard we have. It is also universally available and quick to use.With constantly proposed nomenclatural changes often without ICZN approval and systematic changes based on DNA there is a real danger of revisiting the total confusion of the nineteenth century with virtually no agreement between entomologists making all Europe faunistic works and biogeographic analysis impossible .An alarming prospect but one which our admins have obviously foreseen .Robert |
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| Robert Nash |
Posted on 10-10-2006 13:28
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Member Location: Ulster Museum, Belfast, Ireland Posts: 288 Joined: 11.11.05 |
Rank confusion? See note in the Glossary>Rank noting the comment on subjectivity. Robert |
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| Auke |
Posted on 30-10-2012 00:01
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Member Location: Suriname (South America) Posts: 302 Joined: 21.10.12 |
Bouchard et al. 2011 have checked all historic names of Coleoptera down to subtribes and found it to be Scarabaeidae: Cetoniinae. This may be changed by pending taxonomic revisions though. Best regards, Scarabaeoid |
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