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| xenion |
Posted on 06-09-2006 20:51
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Member Location: Netherlands Posts: 15 Joined: 06.09.06 |
I've spotted this phasia species last saturday. I had never seen such a fly before. I asked what kind of fly it could be on another forum, they told me it is a phasia hemiptera. But i am not convinced this is a hemiptera, because of the crown and missing yellow on some parts of his body. When i visited this site my eyes were drawn to the fly on the homepage (phasia aurigera), it does have many similarities with the fly on my pictures. The only thing im not sure about is its back, the drawings seems to differ a bit. Which phasia is it? An aurigera, a hemiptera, or even another phasia? Side:  Top (not fully sharp but gives a nice view of the crown):  Back:  |
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| crex |
Posted on 06-09-2006 21:09
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 Member Location: Sweden Posts: 1996 Joined: 22.05.06 |
Where in the world are you? |
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| xenion |
Posted on 06-09-2006 21:18
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Member Location: Netherlands Posts: 15 Joined: 06.09.06 |
I live in the Netherlands. |
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| ChrisR |
Posted on 07-09-2006 10:01
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 Super Administrator Location: Reading, England Posts: 7703 Joined: 12.07.04 |
I think it has to be an Ectophasia crassipennis (male), but the photos are a bit indistinct. Have a look at the photos and text here: http://tachinidae...rcno=15901  |
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| Jan Willem |
Posted on 07-09-2006 10:47
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 Member Location: Waalwijk, The Netherlands Posts: 2150 Joined: 24.07.04 |
Hi Chris, I don't know anything about the variation of the coloration of the thorax, but it seems different in the specimens of "xenion". These flies look a lot like the one on the homepage of Diptera.info. Jan Willem |
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| ChrisR |
Posted on 07-09-2006 12:03
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Super Administrator Location: Reading, England Posts: 7703 Joined: 12.07.04 |
Hi Jan Willem, You might be right - looking closer the photos appear to show a petiole, so it should be Phasia but I'm not sure of the species. The key seems to rely on the colour of the hind femur and the hair on the sides fo the thorax - both of which are not clear on the photos. Another one for Theo I think  |
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| xenion |
Posted on 07-09-2006 12:30
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Member Location: Netherlands Posts: 15 Joined: 06.09.06 |
Chris Raper wrote: Hi Jan Willem, You might be right - looking closer the photos appear to show a petiole, so it should be Phasia but I'm not sure of the species. The key seems to rely on the colour of the hind femur and the hair on the sides fo the thorax - both of which are not clear on the photos. Another one for Theo I think Difficult one as i can see  I will check for better pictures of the hind femur and side thorax when i'm back home this evening. |
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| Zeegers |
Posted on 07-09-2006 17:24
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Member Location: Soest, NL Posts: 18917 Joined: 21.07.04 |
Congratulations Xenion ! The pattern on the thorax is very distinctive -> male Phasia aurigera. One of the first from The Netherlands ! Could you please email me details ? Thanks Theo |
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| xenion |
Posted on 07-09-2006 17:38
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Member Location: Netherlands Posts: 15 Joined: 06.09.06 |
Cool I'm glad i was not convinced it was the hemiptera Thanks for the help guys Going to mail you now Theo. |
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| Juergen Peters |
Posted on 07-09-2006 18:52
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 Member Location: northwest Germany Posts: 14062 Joined: 11.09.04 |
Hello! Is it possible that this species is expanding? I had seen it for the first time here in Ostwestfalen/Germany three years ago, meanwhile it is the most abundant Phasia species (much more than hemiptera or obesa) and seems to have two generations in spring and late summer. In the last days (pictures from yesterday) it was numerous on Solidago canadensis and Mentha blossoms. Do the females (second pic) also belong to P. aurigera?  
Best regards, Jürgen -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Juergen Peters Borgholzhausen, Germany WWW: http://insektenfo... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= |
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| Zeegers |
Posted on 07-09-2006 20:20
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Member Location: Soest, NL Posts: 18917 Joined: 21.07.04 |
Hi Juergen, Great! You are quite right in all aspects: male and female Phasia aurigera. In hind view, the thoracic dorsum is slightly more prominent than in this picture, however, not even close to that of the male. And yes, the species is expanding northwards very rapidly. Thanks to you, we know there are coming (same happened 5 years ago with Ectophasia crassipennis). Thanks for the superb picture Theo |
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| Tony Irwin |
Posted on 07-09-2006 20:47
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 Member Location: Norwich, England Posts: 7279 Joined: 19.11.04 |
Has anyone suggested why these Phasia are expanding their range? I think it's unlikely that the hosts are also expanding - most of them are probably quite widespread already - so what is enabling the flies to spread?
Tony ---------- Tony Irwin |
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| Juergen Peters |
Posted on 07-09-2006 22:27
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Member Location: northwest Germany Posts: 14062 Joined: 11.09.04 |
Hello, Theo! Zeegers wrote: You are quite right in all aspects: male and female Phasia aurigera. In hind view, the thoracic dorsum is slightly more prominent than in this picture, however, not even close to that of the male. Thanks a lot for the confirmation! (same happened 5 years ago with Ectophasia crassipennis). I'm still waiting for it... Haven't seen that species myself here in Ostwestfalen, but the number of queries with photos of that fly from various places here in Germany has increased in several forums this year. Best regards, Jürgen -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Juergen Peters Borgholzhausen, Germany WWW: http://insektenfo... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= |
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