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 Cyrtopogon pyrenaeus (Courtship)
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| picotverd |
Posted on 08-08-2010 17:45
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Yesterday, Spain!, Pyrenees...
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| picotverd |
Posted on 08-08-2010 17:53
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...another view, then flied away...
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 08-08-2010 18:17
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Rámon, this is a fantastic asilid!! |
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| Quaedfliegh |
Posted on 10-08-2010 22:07
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 Member Location: Tilburg Netherlands Posts: 2208 Joined: 18.05.10 |
It is not Pamponerus, the white seems to be hair on the first segments of the abdomen and not part of the wing. This creature seems to lack a facial protuberance and wing veination is also pointing in an other direction..........I'm going to track this thread for i want to know too what this is
Greetings, Reinoud Field guide to the robber flies of the Netherlands and Belgium: https://www.jeugdbondsuitgeverij.nl/product/field-guide-to-the-robberflies-of-the-netherlands-and-belgium/ https://www.nev.nl/diptera/ |
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| Mark van Veen |
Posted on 11-08-2010 20:34
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 Member Location: Zeist, Netherlands Posts: 145 Joined: 12.05.04 |
Even not in the Asilinae subfamiliy. The frontal wing cell is open. Have a look at Cyrtopogon and allies. |
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| Quaedfliegh |
Posted on 11-08-2010 22:08
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Member Location: Tilburg Netherlands Posts: 2208 Joined: 18.05.10 |
Last night I looked by default at Cyrtopogon because i ended up in Holopogon and knew that had to be wrong.......I can't find a useful key and comparing pictures lead to nothing......I just keep on tracking......
Greetings, Reinoud Field guide to the robber flies of the Netherlands and Belgium: https://www.jeugdbondsuitgeverij.nl/product/field-guide-to-the-robberflies-of-the-netherlands-and-belgium/ https://www.nev.nl/diptera/ |
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| sd |
Posted on 25-08-2010 20:56
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Member Location: Suffolk, UK Posts: 892 Joined: 11.10.07 |
How about Crobilocerus? "bee-like flies with dense white or black and white hairs on sides of abdominal tergites. Antennae ending in a tuft of bristle-like hairs" Majer in Contrib Man Pal Diptera Fauna Europea list C. auriger for France Steve |
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| sd |
Posted on 25-08-2010 21:58
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Member Location: Suffolk, UK Posts: 892 Joined: 11.10.07 |
no, cannot be, now I've seen the later thread with a a close up of the antennae which have normal arista So is it a particularly hairy cyrtopogon? Asilidae are so tricky  |
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| Mark van Veen |
Posted on 27-08-2010 09:11
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Member Location: Zeist, Netherlands Posts: 145 Joined: 12.05.04 |
I took my old friend Engel (1938): Cyrtopogon pyrenaicus. In translation: (7-, p. 323) front tarsae in both sexes yellow, only the last segment darkened. In both sexes, the 2-5th tergite yellow dusted in the centre and with golden yellow hairs, also the hind margins yellow dusted. The anal segment shining black, short and dense haired in the male, bare in the female. Intriguing remark of Engel: -pulchripes would key out here according to Loew- |
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| picotverd |
Posted on 27-08-2010 10:32
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Thank you everybody. Found this: http://www.faunedefrance.org/bibliotheque/docs/E.SEGUY(FdeFr17)Dipt.Asilidae.pdf (see drawings from pag. 81) You can compare with the photo amplied... picotverd attached the following image:  [65.24Kb] Edited by picotverd on 27-08-2010 10:36 |
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| Mark van Veen |
Posted on 27-08-2010 10:58
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Member Location: Zeist, Netherlands Posts: 145 Joined: 12.05.04 |
what is the conclusion? |
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| picotverd |
Posted on 27-08-2010 11:24
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ja, ja, ja The conclusions for the professionals... I am very amateur... It seems the wing veneration doesn' feet perfectly although the photo is a little perpendicular. The description you mentioned seems it feets very much. Edited by picotverd on 27-08-2010 11:53 |
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| picotverd |
Posted on 27-08-2010 11:54
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By the way, this description could feet with my -some days ago- post: http://www.diptera.info/forum/viewthread.php?thread_id=32518 (?) |
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| Quaedfliegh |
Posted on 27-08-2010 20:11
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Member Location: Tilburg Netherlands Posts: 2208 Joined: 18.05.10 |
Cyrtopogon pyrenaicus it is (?) Nice Mark, your old friend i just ordered a copy of Engel, palearctic Asilidae 1930 had to come from the US. Can't wait... It is a bit older than yours, hope there haven't been too many changes.
Edited by Quaedfliegh on 27-08-2010 20:13 Greetings, Reinoud Field guide to the robber flies of the Netherlands and Belgium: https://www.jeugdbondsuitgeverij.nl/product/field-guide-to-the-robberflies-of-the-netherlands-and-belgium/ https://www.nev.nl/diptera/ |
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| Dysmachus |
Posted on 12-09-2010 12:30
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I have a male specimen of Cyrtopogon pyrenaicus in my collection and it fits perfectly with the photograph. |
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| picotverd |
Posted on 05-08-2012 20:15
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New photos from this year...
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| picotverd |
Posted on 05-08-2012 20:17
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In love... More photos if desired...
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 07-08-2012 19:22
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Member Location: Viseu - PORTUGAL Posts: 9295 Joined: 05.06.06 |
amazing series. And I think the correct spelling is Cyrtopogon pyrenaeus... We want more photos, of course! 
Edited by jorgemotalmeida on 07-08-2012 19:23 |
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| picotverd |
Posted on 10-04-2022 20:41
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From august `21 I add some links to Cyrtopogon pyrenaeus courtship... https://vimeo.com... A salutation |
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