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Asilidae - Stenopogoninae - Heteropogon aurocinctus from Serra da Estrela and from Serra Montesinho
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I saw this asilid in Nave de Santo António - circa 1500 m altitud - on 2010.VII.14
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 A very interesting asilid Jorge! It has the habitus of a Laphystia relative -- but doesn't seem to match the Laphystia I'm familiar with (mainly Nearctic spp.!). The antennae and abdomen are different, and the face is narrower; can't see tergal bristles or wing tip venation in sufficient detail -- to tell about those features. Your Serra da Estrela definitely has some great flies!
 
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 in a few minutes, I will upload the photo of the wing tip.

And yes, Serra da Estrela is among the best spot in Europe without any doubts! Smile A first stop in Portugal for Diptera lovers. But it requires time to know the best places. Anyone willing to come Serra da Estrela contact me. (i only can help in the summer time, though).
 
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 here the wing tip.
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 Thanks Jorge -- not a Laphystia for sure. Could still be a relative though; genus?
 
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 the other possiblities:
Glyphotriclis Hermann, 1920
G. ornatus (Schiner, 1868)

Psilocurus Loew, 1874
P. blascoi Weinberg & Bächli, 2001

Scytomedes von Röder, 1882
S. haemorrhoidalis (Fabricius, 1794)


Very improbable to be the first two genera..
And what about Triclis and Perasis and Hoplotriclis?
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 I'm able to rule out all of these above-mentioned genera (based on details of wing venation, antennae or face structure). So, it is either something new; or, it is a genus of "Dasypogonomorph" type (Dasypogoninae + Stenopogoninae, etc. : the limits of these previously recognized groups are now challenged by a new phylogeny - Dikow 2009) that I just don't know.

If somebody recognizes this neat fly -- please speak-up!

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 Thanks very much , Eric. Well, I really need to collect more specimens. I will come back to Nave de Santo António!

Maybe Torsten or Dysmachus can tell more on this asilid...

I'll get for you specimens of this asilid.
 
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 Using my key to the Palaearctic Laphystiini genera on the base of LEHR (1969) and my personal notes, this species seems to be closely related to Torebroma - BUT it has a closed fourth posterior cell. Because of the wing venation and some other characters, it isn't so easy to assign the subfamily. So I agree with Eric Fisher that this specimen should be checked by Torsten Dikow (torsten@tdvia.de). Yours
 
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 Why not Heteropogon aurocinctus? It would be great to see an holotype of this one.
 
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 at least I would like to know if someone can tell where this holotype can be found. Original descriptions do not have this information, unfortunately.
 
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 News. Eric wrote me and this is a Stepogoninae asilid. Smile

"the (..) fly (recent thread # 31925) is positively NOT a Laphriinae (nor a Laphystiini)! Sensu Lehr 1988 (Pal. Cat.), it is a Stenopogoninae of some sort."

So now speak out to try identify the possible genera... now it should be a bit easier.. Smile
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