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 Neomochtherus cf melanopus; Reinoud
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| Andre Burgers |
Posted on 17-05-2010 08:49
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 Member Location: Minas de Riotinto, Huelva Province, Spain Posts: 1064 Joined: 23.04.10 |
A rather big fly on Pinus pinaster. Is it possible to ID beyond family level? Andre Burgers attached the following image:  [53.52Kb] Edited by Andre Burgers on 14-11-2010 21:55 |
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| paqui |
Posted on 19-05-2010 00:21
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Member Location: Valencia (spain) Posts: 816 Joined: 02.09.05 |
Hi, I´ve no idea, but here you are the Asilidae forum for the next ones: http://www.dipter...forum_id=2 Regards Andre 
Edited by paqui on 19-05-2010 00:22 |
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| Andre Burgers |
Posted on 28-05-2010 10:34
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Member Location: Minas de Riotinto, Huelva Province, Spain Posts: 1064 Joined: 23.04.10 |
paqui wrote: Hi, I´ve no idea, but here you are the Asilidae forum for the next ones: http://www.dipter...forum_id=2 Regards Andre Thanks Paqui. I did not know that there was a special forum for this group. Saludos |
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| Quaedfliegh |
Posted on 31-05-2010 20:50
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 Member Location: Tilburg Netherlands Posts: 2207 Joined: 18.05.10 |
Reminds me of Machimus, maybe M. atripes.... |
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| Andre Burgers |
Posted on 06-11-2010 17:40
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Member Location: Minas de Riotinto, Huelva Province, Spain Posts: 1064 Joined: 23.04.10 |
Leptogaster wrote: Reminds me of Machimus, maybe M. atripes.... Missed your post, Lepto. Thanks for your ID, although there is no count of the species you mention in Spain. Bedankt, Lepto. |
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| Quaedfliegh |
Posted on 08-11-2010 20:56
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Member Location: Tilburg Netherlands Posts: 2207 Joined: 18.05.10 |
Also have a look at Neomochtherus melanopus. It is very difficult to determine species from a single picture. Keys are hardly applicable this way. Best bet is a local expert or real one
Edited by Quaedfliegh on 08-11-2010 20:59 Greetings, Reinoud Field guide to the robber flies of the Netherlands and Belgium: https://www.jeugdbondsuitgeverij.nl/product/field-guide-to-the-robberflies-of-the-netherlands-and-belgium/ https://www.nev.nl/diptera/ |
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| Andre Burgers |
Posted on 09-11-2010 09:42
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Member Location: Minas de Riotinto, Huelva Province, Spain Posts: 1064 Joined: 23.04.10 |
Leptogaster wrote: Also have a look at Neomochtherus melanopus. It is very difficult to determine species from a single picture. Keys are hardly applicable this way. Best bet is a local expert or real one Thanks for taking your time, Reinoud. I will consider this species too, but I know the extreme difficulties using photos as only means in ID. Is there a cientific name for "Machinus group"? Thanks anyway, André |
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| Quaedfliegh |
Posted on 09-11-2010 19:42
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Member Location: Tilburg Netherlands Posts: 2207 Joined: 18.05.10 |
Andre Burgers wrote: [quote]Leptogaster wrote: Is there a cientific name for "Machinus group"? Thanks anyway, André I think the group consists of: Machimus + Tolmerus and Neoepitriptus. Maybe there are more genusses (what happened to Epitriptus for instance) let an expert react too. These genusses are very similar in appearance and form a group because of it. Probably it will not end here. Research is going on. Edited by Quaedfliegh on 09-11-2010 19:43 Greetings, Reinoud Field guide to the robber flies of the Netherlands and Belgium: https://www.jeugdbondsuitgeverij.nl/product/field-guide-to-the-robberflies-of-the-netherlands-and-belgium/ https://www.nev.nl/diptera/ |
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| Andre Burgers |
Posted on 10-11-2010 09:02
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Member Location: Minas de Riotinto, Huelva Province, Spain Posts: 1064 Joined: 23.04.10 |
Leptogaster wrote: Andre Burgers wrote: [quote]Leptogaster wrote: Is there a cientific name for "Machinus group"? Thanks anyway, André I think the group consists of: Machimus + Tolmerus and Neoepitriptus. Maybe there are more genusses (what happened to Epitriptus for instance) let an expert react too. These genusses are very similar in appearance and form a group because of it. Probably it will not end here. Research is going on. Bedankt Reinoud. So things are much too complicated for me. Thanks for your list of genera  to be taken into acount.André |
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| Quaedfliegh |
Posted on 10-11-2010 15:11
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Member Location: Tilburg Netherlands Posts: 2207 Joined: 18.05.10 |
André, to make things worse ,please note that i am now more convinced that it is a Neomochtherus cf melanopus. Neomochtherus is not part of the Machimus group!
Edited by Quaedfliegh on 13-11-2010 00:41 Greetings, Reinoud Field guide to the robber flies of the Netherlands and Belgium: https://www.jeugdbondsuitgeverij.nl/product/field-guide-to-the-robberflies-of-the-netherlands-and-belgium/ https://www.nev.nl/diptera/ |
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| Andre Burgers |
Posted on 11-11-2010 09:40
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Member Location: Minas de Riotinto, Huelva Province, Spain Posts: 1064 Joined: 23.04.10 |
Leptogaster wrote: André, to things worse ,please note that i am now more convinced that it is a Neomochtherus cf melanopus. Neomochtherus is not part of the Machimus group!Reinoud, Thanks again. I will store this one as Neomochtherus cf melanopus until further notice. Groeten, andré |
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