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| paqui |
Posted on 13-07-2006 12:01
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Member Location: Valencia (spain) Posts: 816 Joined: 02.09.05 |
hello, i?d like to find tabanidae and they seem to hide away from me!. It?s not my 1st "birthday" with diptera still, but i?ve foundt many families; it?s suposed i should have fount some. I?ve been next to "meat-milk" cows, to brave cows and nothing. maybe i?m not looking well or just not having luck. Can somebody give me any orientation?  i?ve got compass and gps  |
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| Paul Beuk |
Posted on 13-07-2006 12:12
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 Super Administrator Location: Netherlands Posts: 19363 Joined: 11.05.04 |
Have you tried leaving the car in the bright, hot sun for some time and then open it? Especially in areas where there is some surface water that should do the trick.
Paul - - - - Paul Beuk on https://diptera.info |
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| Kahis |
Posted on 13-07-2006 12:13
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 Member Location: Helsinki, Finland Posts: 1999 Joined: 02.09.04 |
Hmm. Around here you dont find tabanids, they find you The only tip I can think of is that tabnid larvae develop in wet soil or moss and the adults are most numerous in wetlands. Open fens or fields is generally better than forest. The adults circle their target fast and low, mainly below knee level (especially the larger Hybomitra and Tabanus). Sometimes they are 'clever' and fly mostly behind you, walking slowly backwards while sweeping seems to give better results. Kahis |
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 13-07-2006 12:15
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 Member Location: Viseu - PORTUGAL Posts: 9295 Joined: 05.06.06 |
Paul Beuk wrote: Have you tried leaving the car in the bright, hot sun for some time and then open it? Especially in areas where there is some surface water that should do the trick. I have a lot of Sun here... inside car, temperatures can reach almost near 70?C...  (glup) You mean, when we open the door of car... the tabanidae enters on the car? |
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| Nikita Vikhrev |
Posted on 13-07-2006 12:16
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 Member Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 9331 Joined: 24.05.05 |
My test better is car with working motor (look at thread Tabanus (bovinus?))
Nikita Vikhrev - Zool Museum of Moscow University |
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| Kahis |
Posted on 13-07-2006 12:17
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Member Location: Helsinki, Finland Posts: 1999 Joined: 02.09.04 |
Yeah, they are small heat-seeking missiles 
Kahis |
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| paqui |
Posted on 13-07-2006 12:39
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Member Location: Valencia (spain) Posts: 816 Joined: 02.09.05 |
hahaha lol, by now "only" 36?C where i live, other places real 50? in spain, the part of the wet soil maybe will be more difficult, i panic one zone with sure water all summer i know; terrifying everglades (marshes?), in that case i should wear a mosquito net around me and capturing all the outer-rest. People who lives next to that zone say some mosquitos are bigger than birds, i don?t know if i?ll be able to afford that mosquitoes and tabanidae together thanks everyone |
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 13-07-2006 14:36
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Member Location: Viseu - PORTUGAL Posts: 9295 Joined: 05.06.06 |
paqui wrote: hahaha lol, by now "only" 36?C where i live, other places real 50? in spain, the part of the wet soil maybe will be more difficult, i panic one zone with sure water all summer i know; terrifying everglades (marshes?), in that case i should wear a mosquito net around me and capturing all the outer-rest. People who lives next to that zone say some mosquitos are bigger than birds, i don?t know if i?ll be able to afford that mosquitoes and tabanidae together thanks everyone here we have got in last year 43?C... very hot, it seems we are on the desert!!!! Yesterday temperatures was very near 40?C.... On the coast, temperatures are much better. Between 25?-35?C... I have seen a lot of asilids and bombyliids. |
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| paqui |
Posted on 14-07-2006 13:03
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Member Location: Valencia (spain) Posts: 816 Joined: 02.09.05 |
yes!, the 50? registered in Granada, outdoors, finally i think tabanidae have scaped from here looking for nikita?s camera (and nikita ) |
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| Nikita Vikhrev |
Posted on 15-07-2006 10:40
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Member Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 9331 Joined: 24.05.05 |
It is illustration of using car for Tabanidae hunting. My car is good for Tabanidae attracting, but isn't clean enought for photo. For photo I use my daugther's car, always clean  Female, Heamatopota pluvialis. Nikita Vikhrev attached the following image:  [63.18Kb] Nikita Vikhrev - Zool Museum of Moscow University |
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 15-07-2006 11:34
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Member Location: Viseu - PORTUGAL Posts: 9295 Joined: 05.06.06 |
Nikita Vikhrev wrote: It is illustration of using car for Tabanidae hunting. My car is good for Tabanidae attracting, but isn't clean enought for photo. For photo I use my daugther's car, always clean Female, Heamatopota pluvialis. Curious that a car can be used to "call" flies. ))I will try to do that near a river... I wish I could spot Dolichopodidae flies, never seen one. (or if I saw, I didn?t know what I was seeing. |
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| Kahis |
Posted on 15-07-2006 17:09
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Member Location: Helsinki, Finland Posts: 1999 Joined: 02.09.04 |
Look for delicate bright green flies sitting on leaves near the river. They are often found in large numbers near mud (riverside, muddy paths etc.), especially in shadow. Larger species (Dolichopus, Argyra, larger Rhaphium etc.) usually sit on leaves on the edge of mud, smaller species (Campsicnemus, Rhaphium) frequent the mud surface. If you find some semi-permanent mud (ie. wet through the year) you'll certainly find these flies too. Kahis |
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| conopid |
Posted on 15-07-2006 18:23
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 Member Location: United Kingdom Posts: 1039 Joined: 02.07.04 |
For tabanids, when you are anywhere with wet or moist habitat, try looking on fence posts or any vertical surfaces. Look early in the day, before it gets very hot. Male tabanids often sit on vertical surfaces to warm up early in the day. Car- try leaving a window or two open. The Tabanids will often enter the car through the open window. Nigel Jones, Shrewsbury, United Kingdom |
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 10-08-2006 19:08
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Member Location: Viseu - PORTUGAL Posts: 9295 Joined: 05.06.06 |
Kahis wrote: Look for delicate bright green flies sitting on leaves near the river. They are often found in large numbers near mud (riverside, muddy paths etc.), especially in shadow. Larger species (Dolichopus, Argyra, larger Rhaphium etc.) usually sit on leaves on the edge of mud, smaller species (Campsicnemus, Rhaphium) frequent the mud surface. If you find some semi-permanent mud (ie. wet through the year) you'll certainly find these flies too. Finally I get Dolichopodidae flies by sure! They are so small. They have a strange position in relation to trees (Platanus sp.) where I find them. They have almost a vertical position of thier body in relation to surface of tree. Amazing!Tabanidae fly I found in a forest... strange... no wet habitats near... (it seems so that) But Tabanidae flies like more clean cars, isn?t it? Strange, they seems don~t like strong and dark colours of the car... |
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| Zeegers |
Posted on 10-08-2006 22:03
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Member Location: Soest, NL Posts: 18785 Joined: 21.07.04 |
And there is another reason. Tabanidae (females are attracted by CO2. And when you sent some time in a car, the CO2 levels will rise. Simple comme bonjour Theo Zeegers |
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| Tony T |
Posted on 01-03-2007 14:19
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 Member Location: New Brunswick, Canada Posts: 662 Joined: 08.02.07 |
Female, Heamatopota pluvialis. Nikita, a 5 star photo that should be in the Tabanid Gallery http://www.dipter...g_9363.jpg |
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| Tony T |
Posted on 01-03-2007 15:52
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Member Location: New Brunswick, Canada Posts: 662 Joined: 08.02.07 |
paqui wrote: .hello, i?d like to find tabanidae and they seem to hide away from me!. maybe i?m not looking well or just not having luck. Can somebody give me any orientation? i?ve got compass and gps Tabanids are attracted to black shiny spheres, the larger the better. Support a sphere below a plastic canopy and put a cage on top. You can see tabanids in the cage here. The plastic sheet should be outside the frame in the photo. Tony T attached the following image:  [38.74Kb] |
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| Susan R Walter |
Posted on 01-03-2007 18:54
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 Member Location: Touraine du Sud, central France Posts: 1802 Joined: 14.01.06 |
You will be marketing this contraption around the world this summer and autumn I take it? The entertainment value for passers by seems fairly high - perhaps another commercial opportunity there? I've just bought a car, having not had one for 10 years, and I will of course be conducting a series of experiments this year to establish the attractiveness of light metallic green Scenics to Tabanidae.
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| diphascon |
Posted on 01-03-2007 21:33
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Member Location: Posts: 85 Joined: 26.07.05 |
Tony T wrote: Tabanids are attracted to black shiny spheres, the larger the better. Support a sphere below a plastic canopy and put a cage on top. You can see tabanids in the cage here. The plastic sheet should be outside the frame in the photo. KEWL! ... eh ... most amazing equipment! martin |
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| Tony T |
Posted on 01-03-2007 22:49
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Member Location: New Brunswick, Canada Posts: 662 Joined: 08.02.07 |
Susan R Walter wrote: The entertainment value for passers by seems fairly high - perhaps another commercial opportunity there? I've just bought a car, having not had one for 10 years, and I will of course be conducting a series of experiments this year to establish the attractiveness of light metallic green Scenics to Tabanidae. You'd be surprised at the responses. A couple of these out in a marsh has led to the locals thinking UFO's have landed. Cattle and horses like to rub themselves against the frame - with disasterous consequences (for the trap!), black bears like to play with the ball, equally disasterous. In the USA a friend has his black balls used as targets for trigger-happy riflemen. Green cars are useless, trade it in for a black mpodel. |
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