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| Juergen Peters |
Posted on 11-04-2006 22:32
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 Member Location: northwest Germany Posts: 13910 Joined: 11.09.04 |
Hello! This shiny metallic fly was sunbathing yesterday here at the wood's egde here in Ostwestfalen/Germany. It was considerably smaller than a Lucilia und not as green. Any idea about the genus? Thanks! P.S.: These small (5-6 mm) flies are very abundant here at the moment on tree trunks. Muscids oder perhaps Anthomyiids? http://www.foto-u...ae_spp.jpg Juergen Peters attached the following image:  [50.5Kb] Best regards, Jürgen -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Juergen Peters Borgholzhausen, Germany WWW: http://insektenfo... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= |
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| Nikita Vikhrev |
Posted on 12-04-2006 14:22
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 Member Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 9336 Joined: 24.05.05 |
"considerably smaller than a Lucilia und not as green" Hello Juergen. Well, if experts keep silence, I dare say what I think. I can't see green metallic at all, my test colour is brown. May be it is Tachinidae, not Calliphoridae? Nikita Nikita Vikhrev - Zool Museum of Moscow University |
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| Juergen Peters |
Posted on 12-04-2006 18:20
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Member Location: northwest Germany Posts: 13910 Joined: 11.09.04 |
Hello, Nikita! Nikita Vikhrev wrote: "considerably smaller than a Lucilia und not as green" I can't see green metallic at all, my test colour is brown. Perhaps I should have written "not green at all, but with a clearly metallic brillance". It is difficult to photograph, but in the light there was, depending on the ankle, sometimes a blue, sometimes a reddisch gloss. So for me it was "not as green" as Lucilia, but as metallic. May be it is Tachinidae, not Calliphoridae? That idea came to my mind, too. But I could not find pictures of neither a similar looking Tachinid, nor Calliphorid. The most similar were some Muscids, but they have a different wing venation. Edited by Juergen Peters on 12-04-2006 18:20 Best regards, Jürgen -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Juergen Peters Borgholzhausen, Germany WWW: http://insektenfo... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= |
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| Nikita Vikhrev |
Posted on 12-04-2006 18:44
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Member Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 9336 Joined: 24.05.05 |
Hi Juergen, when I've seen your fly this one came in my mind http://www.diptera.info/forum/viewthread.php?forum_id=5&thread_id=1372#post_5485 Spring fly, size 6-7mm, less than Lucilia, with sharp sunlight Lypha have to look very metallic shining. Nikita Nikita Vikhrev - Zool Museum of Moscow University |
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| Juergen Peters |
Posted on 12-04-2006 19:20
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Member Location: northwest Germany Posts: 13910 Joined: 11.09.04 |
Hello, Nikita! Nikita Vikhrev wrote: when I've seen your fly this one came in my mind http://www.diptera.info/forum/viewthread.php?forum_id=5&thread_id=1372#post_5485 Thanks! That is really rather similar, but seems to be more hairy than mine. Best regards, Jürgen -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Juergen Peters Borgholzhausen, Germany WWW: http://insektenfo... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= |
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| Nikita Vikhrev |
Posted on 12-04-2006 20:50
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Member Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 9336 Joined: 24.05.05 |
Hello Juergen. Sharp light always kills details, such as hairs or even seta. But looking at the shadow from your on the leal fly I can see that abdomen is rather hairy than bold. Anyway, if it is Tachina - higest court is Theo, who will appear sooner or later. Nikita Nikita Vikhrev - Zool Museum of Moscow University |
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| Zeegers |
Posted on 12-04-2006 21:54
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Member Location: Soest, NL Posts: 18787 Joined: 21.07.04 |
Nice to know I am considered the supreme court in Calyptratae. Just to warn you: never believe anybody always. Keep checking ! Those with a good memory will remember my mistake last year on Picconia incurva (luckily corrected by the ultra court H.P. Tschornsig). Anyway, let's get to the fly: in the wing there is a topcel with a very long stalk. therefore (to European standards) it can never be a Calliphoridae nor a Sarcophagidae - Sarcophaginae. Obvious possiblities are either Tachinidae or Rhinophoridae. The calyptrae look large, which would rule out Rhinophoridae. Therefore, I agree with Nikita's call: Tachinidae. The species puzzles me a little, difficult to tell. The stalk is too long for Lypha. It seems to be in Wagneriini. If the species is from very early spring, say before now, no doubt the species is Kirbya moerens. So that's my guess: Kirbya moerens (Tachinidae - Wagneriini) Good find, by the way. Greetings Theo |
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| Zeegers |
Posted on 12-04-2006 21:55
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Member Location: Soest, NL Posts: 18787 Joined: 21.07.04 |
Sorry, i missed the 'yesterday' at first reading. Yesterday is before today, so Kirbya moerens it is. Theo |
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| Juergen Peters |
Posted on 13-04-2006 00:03
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Member Location: northwest Germany Posts: 13910 Joined: 11.09.04 |
Hello, Theo! Zeegers wrote: [...] So that's my guess: Kirbya moerens (Tachinidae - Wagneriini) Thank you very much for your explanations! Is it known which is/are the host(s) of this species? And Nikita: you are right with the light. I have one other photo which shows many more stiff hairs. Juergen Peters attached the following image:  [40.74Kb] Edited by Juergen Peters on 13-04-2006 00:10 Best regards, Jürgen -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Juergen Peters Borgholzhausen, Germany WWW: http://insektenfo... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= |
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