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Baccha elongata (Syrphidae)
rafael_carbonell
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Posted on 15-06-2008 21:16
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Hi, I'm not expert about diptera, but I collected one 8 mm fly whis is under my binocular:
- It has a ptilinal suture
- The apex of the abdomen turns inwards (ventrally) like a Conopidae
- Lacks elongated snout
- Anal cell next (but not reach) the wing border
- False wing border like Sirphidae
- Eye (laterally) occupying nearly all the head, not like Conopid.

So is not Sirphidae, nor Conopidae, so I'm lost.Sad

Any idea of which family could it be woul be wellcomed.

Thanks in advance, Rafa.
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Try Pipunculidae Wink - just a few pictures in the gallery, but you can find many more with a forum search
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Thanks, but wing venation don't looks as this family. I don't have camera connected to the binocular, but I will add a drawing later.
 
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You'd better tell where you found the fly as well ...
 
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Well, the fly was catched in my kitchen, but I live in the countryside. 11 may 2008, the lenght of the wing about 7 mm; the lenght of the body about 10 mm.

Here I add a bad picture (ventral habitus, one wing reversed) and a drawing of the right wing... just to know family... and learn.

Thanks in advance.
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It looks like Baccha elongata, Syrphidae.
Stephane.
 
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Sorry I could'nt put the 2n image, now... So many thanks if it is Bacca elongata!
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Great! Could be that animal. But then Chinery's key guide of insects is wrong? I saw a ptilininian suture! Or may be I'm wrong?
And also the apex of the abdomen was turned ventrally, like conopids.
 
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With that wing (nice drawing) it is Syrphidae without doubt, and with this figure it's Baccha without doubt.

Greetings.
Stephane.
 
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rafael_carbonell wrote:
Well, the fly was catched in my kitchen ...

LOL
 
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Sorry, my head was thinking about the flies:
Can Grau, Beuda, Girona, Spain, UTM 31T DG7477, 400 m, 11 may 2008.
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