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 Fannia ?
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| Philippe moniotte |
Posted on 06-03-2008 17:40
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 Member Location: Heron, Belgium Posts: 865 Joined: 14.10.05 |
Hi everyone Last time, I thought I was posting an Anthomyidae, and it's was Fannia sp. Let's see whether this time I am wrong about this small fly being Fannia sp, perhaps F. canicularis ?  Approx 6 mm. H?ron (4217 Belgium) March 5th 2008 Thanks for your comments Philippe Philippe moniotte attached the following image:  [173.69Kb] |
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 06-03-2008 18:01
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 Member Location: Viseu - PORTUGAL Posts: 9296 Joined: 05.06.06 |
Fannia canicularis male. |
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| Philippe moniotte |
Posted on 07-03-2008 09:20
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Member Location: Heron, Belgium Posts: 865 Joined: 14.10.05 |
Thanks for the confirmation Jorge Philippe |
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| Stephane Lebrun |
Posted on 08-03-2008 00:14
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 Member Location: Le Havre, France Posts: 8248 Joined: 03.03.07 |
Maybe I'm tired tonight, but I have some doubts on Fannia canicularis, and even on the family...
Stephane. |
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| Nikita Vikhrev |
Posted on 08-03-2008 09:35
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 Member Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 9459 Joined: 24.05.05 |
Stephane, I regarded this post several times and I havn't come to any conclusion too... My best reply is to repeat you: I have some doubts Nikita Nikita Vikhrev - Zool Museum of Moscow University |
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| Stephane Lebrun |
Posted on 08-03-2008 10:40
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Member Location: Le Havre, France Posts: 8248 Joined: 03.03.07 |
Thanks Nikita. I explain why I have some doubts : hind tibia with 2 strong ad and pd (not true dorsal) ; if they were true dorsal, they were anyway unusually too high placed for Fannia ; acrostichals too strong and not enough numerous ; abdomen not enough flattened ; A1 seems very long on pict 2... Actually I suspect Anthomyiidae. A fooling one though... Stephane. |
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| Michael Ackland |
Posted on 08-03-2008 10:41
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Member Location: Dorset UK Posts: 680 Joined: 23.02.08 |
I think it is an anthomyiid, but I can't see the chaetotaxy to be able to place it |
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| Stephane Lebrun |
Posted on 08-03-2008 10:44
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Member Location: Le Havre, France Posts: 8248 Joined: 03.03.07 |
Oh, confirmation has just come ! 
Stephane. |
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 08-03-2008 10:45
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Member Location: Viseu - PORTUGAL Posts: 9296 Joined: 05.06.06 |
I got totally fooled with this one!!!  |
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| Michael Ackland |
Posted on 08-03-2008 10:59
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Member Location: Dorset UK Posts: 680 Joined: 23.02.08 |
Stephane, I did not see your last post. Your diagnosis is absolutely right. The problem with Anthomyiidae is that defining external characters are rather difficult to see in photos. Here are some of them: anal vein is always covered in resting position, and therefore does not show up in photos; fine hairs under tip of scutellum (nearly always present in anthos, but absent in a few species in scattered genera); hind metatarsus nearly always with a basal ventral setula (again not visible in photos); 3 post dorsocentral setae (Egle ciliata has 4!), those muscids with 3 post dc generally look like muscids). A photo of the underside of the male abdomen showing sternite V would make identification, at least to genera, muuch easier! |
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