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Posted on 19-01-2025 12:27
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Observation: https://waarneming.nl/observation/336391858/

I believe this is one of the species with presutural acrostichals present? Wondering if this could be Phaonia gracilis?

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Never mind about Phaonia gracilis, I believe the pre-alar is far too short for this one.

It might rather be, P. rufipalpis but I have a hard time identifying the palps (which should be completely reddish yellow):

Arista with longer hairs than its basal diameter, presutural acrostichals not strong and pre-alar much shorter than the 2nd notopleural, abdomen ground color, scutellum mainly in ground color, legs (except tarsi) reddish-yellow, longest hair of arista longer then the width of the 3rd antennal segment
 
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The palps here are black.
 
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John Carr wrote:
The palps here are black.


Thank you very much, than I am sure what the palps are here Smile

Would you also say that the pre-alar (red) being much shorter than the 2nd notopleural (green)? If I even got the correct hairs...

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Edited by smol on 19-01-2025 17:55
 
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I think the pre-alar is strong. Check the dorsal view. Immediately behind the suture, middle to outside, weak to absent acrostichal, dorsocentral, intra-alar, supra-alar. The first postsutural supra-alar is the pre-alar.
 
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John Carr wrote:
I think the pre-alar is strong. Check the dorsal view. Immediately behind the suture, middle to outside, weak to absent acrostichal, dorsocentral, intra-alar, supra-alar. The first postsutural supra-alar is the pre-alar.


Thank you very much! Found it, with this, I think it might be "Phaonia tuguriorum".

Appreciate the feedback for my exercise Smile
Edited by smol on 19-01-2025 21:03
 
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