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 Tachinidae - Elodia morio
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| Marion Friedrich |
Posted on 07-06-2022 22:06
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Member Location: Saxony, Germany Posts: 1151 Joined: 07.10.09 |
Hi, This fly, less than 5 mm in size, hatched from a small pupa (Lepidoptera). Is ID possible? Greetings, Marion Germany, Saxony, June 2022. Marion Friedrich attached the following image:  [164.32Kb] Edited by Marion Friedrich on 28-01-2023 19:55 |
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| Marion Friedrich |
Posted on 07-06-2022 22:06
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Member Location: Saxony, Germany Posts: 1151 Joined: 07.10.09 |
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| Marion Friedrich |
Posted on 07-06-2022 22:07
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Member Location: Saxony, Germany Posts: 1151 Joined: 07.10.09 |
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| eklans |
Posted on 08-06-2022 10:12
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Member Location: Franconia, Germany Posts: 3693 Joined: 11.11.18 |
Hi Marion, it's a difficult one - for me, not all significant features are visible. But I suspect it could be an Elodia morio.
Edited by eklans on 08-06-2022 10:12 Greetings, Eric Kloeckner |
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| Marion Friedrich |
Posted on 09-06-2022 09:08
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Member Location: Saxony, Germany Posts: 1151 Joined: 07.10.09 |
Hi Eric, thank you very much. I can try to take more photos. Which key features should be visible for the confirmation of Elodia morio? Greetings, Marion |
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| eklans |
Posted on 09-06-2022 10:11
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Member Location: Franconia, Germany Posts: 3693 Joined: 11.11.18 |
Hi Marion, photos of the apical bristles of the scutellum and the ocellar bristles with the oi should help.
Greetings, Eric Kloeckner |
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| Marion Friedrich |
Posted on 10-06-2022 10:21
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Member Location: Saxony, Germany Posts: 1151 Joined: 07.10.09 |
Hi Eric, here is another new photo. Photographing black flies without laboratory equipment is a real challenge. Greetings, Marion Marion Friedrich attached the following image:  [275.44Kb] |
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| eklans |
Posted on 10-06-2022 11:22
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Member Location: Franconia, Germany Posts: 3693 Joined: 11.11.18 |
Hi Marion, I know the problems of photographing black flies - your photo is nearly perfect! With the T&H key + translation by Rayner & Raper I think we see this: ocellar bristles ≈ oi [not sure] 2nd arista segment > diameter scutellum with apical bristles [but thin enough?] 2+3 dc r-m almost vertical on m r-m to m-cu ≈ m-cu to bow mid tibia: 1 ad abdomen shiny black, without bands of dusting tergites 3 & 4 with discals + hatched from a small Lepidoptera pupa But I think it's wise to wait for the expert. Edited by eklans on 10-06-2022 11:23 Greetings, Eric Kloeckner |
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| Marion Friedrich |
Posted on 10-06-2022 22:23
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Member Location: Saxony, Germany Posts: 1151 Joined: 07.10.09 |
Hi Eric, thank you very much for the summary of features. As you suggest, I`ll wait for the expert. Greetings, Marion |
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| Marion Friedrich |
Posted on 28-01-2023 00:09
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Member Location: Saxony, Germany Posts: 1151 Joined: 07.10.09 |
up Pictures of the host are in the lepiforum. https://www.lepiforum.de/1_forum_2019.pl?md=read;id=178957 Edited by Marion Friedrich on 28-01-2023 13:47 |
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| Zeegers |
Posted on 28-01-2023 15:51
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Member Location: Soest, NL Posts: 18787 Joined: 21.07.04 |
I have seen Elodia morio only once, it seems this looks like one, if we are really sure the topcel is open. Elodia is more often reared than seen in the wild, so that figures. Theo |
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| Marion Friedrich |
Posted on 28-01-2023 19:58
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Member Location: Saxony, Germany Posts: 1151 Joined: 07.10.09 |
Thank you very much Theo. Greetings, Marion |
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