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Anthomyiidae or Muscidae? -> Helina cilipes?
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So it has pale hairs under scutellum which points towards Anthomyidae, but anal vein seems kinda short, which points to Muscidae.

Which one is it?
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 Some Anthomyiidae may have a shorter anal vein, and a few Muscidae have pale hairs under the scutellum - such as Helina cilipes. I suspect it is the latter.
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 Thank you Tony, dosn't seem like Helina cilipes is registered in Norway yet. Ill try and key from muscidae and see where I end up Smile
 
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 According to Fauna Europaea, H. cilipes is recorded from Norway.
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