Gallery Links
Users Online
· Guests Online: 31

· Members Online: 0

· Total Members: 5,042
· Newest Member: jaseur
Forum Threads
Theme Switcher
Switch to:
Last Seen Users
· weia03:05:47
· Juergen Peters03:44:00
· Nosferatumyia03:54:39
· jpjepilou04:17:05
· Manu7005:04:37
· Mario Renden05:16:42
· CedricMondy05:18:31
· Calle Ljungberg05:38:10
· evdb05:40:36
· Auratus05:46:03
Latest Photo Additions
View Thread
Diptera.info :: Identification queries :: Diptera (adults)
Who is here? 1 guest(s)
 Print Thread
Phaonia cf. subventa and Phaonia sp. (Muscidae)
Rui Andrade
#1 Print Post
Posted on 26-12-2007 19:33
User Avatar

Member

Location: Portugal
Posts: 3123
Joined: 19.06.07

I found this fly in Barcelos, Portugal. It seems to me that it belongs to the family Muscidae but I'm not sure.
The last picture shows a different specimen and I don't know if it's the same species. I think it may be a different species because the postpronotum is of a different colour.

date: 2007/12/26


img407.imageshack.us/img407/3767/mular1vd8.jpg

img407.imageshack.us/img407/8497/mular2sn7.jpg

img407.imageshack.us/img407/8305/mular3su2.jpg

img407.imageshack.us/img407/5158/mular4hs0.jpg
Edited by Rui Andrade on 03-01-2008 20:15
 
www.flickr.com/photos/rui_andrade/
jorgemotalmeida
#2 Print Post
Posted on 26-12-2007 19:44
User Avatar

Member

Location: Viseu - PORTUGAL
Posts: 9296
Joined: 05.06.06

Phaonia sp.?
 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/superegnum
jorgemotalmeida
#3 Print Post
Posted on 26-12-2007 20:08
User Avatar

Member

Location: Viseu - PORTUGAL
Posts: 9296
Joined: 05.06.06

the last seems to be different comparing with the above flies. Frown
 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/superegnum
Stephane Lebrun
#4 Print Post
Posted on 26-12-2007 23:00
User Avatar

Member

Location: Le Havre, France
Posts: 8248
Joined: 03.03.07

The first fly should be Phaonia subventa (short-haired arista, t1 with one posterior seta, t2 with two post. setae).
Stephane.
 
Rui Andrade
#5 Print Post
Posted on 26-12-2007 23:38
User Avatar

Member

Location: Portugal
Posts: 3123
Joined: 19.06.07

When you say t1 and t2 are you refering to tibia (sorry, I'm not very used to this terminology)?
The next photo shows the mid tibia. Are the red arrows pointing to the two setae you refer? And how you name the setae that the green arrow is pointing to?

img165.imageshack.us/img165/8899/esppq6.jpg
 
www.flickr.com/photos/rui_andrade/
Stephane Lebrun
#6 Print Post
Posted on 26-12-2007 23:51
User Avatar

Member

Location: Le Havre, France
Posts: 8248
Joined: 03.03.07

Yes, t1 is tibia 1 (fore tibia) etc. Sorry for the abbreviations.
The 2 posterior setae are correctly pointed by the red arrows.
The green arrow point to the "preapical dorsal seta". This doesn't matter in this case.

Greetings.

Stephane.
 
Rui Andrade
#7 Print Post
Posted on 27-12-2007 00:04
User Avatar

Member

Location: Portugal
Posts: 3123
Joined: 19.06.07

Thank you very much Stephane for your explanationsSmile.
 
www.flickr.com/photos/rui_andrade/
jorgemotalmeida
#8 Print Post
Posted on 27-12-2007 00:07
User Avatar

Member

Location: Viseu - PORTUGAL
Posts: 9296
Joined: 05.06.06

you must look to the legs of those ladies! Don't forget! WinkCool
 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/superegnum
Rui Andrade
#9 Print Post
Posted on 28-12-2007 00:21
User Avatar

Member

Location: Portugal
Posts: 3123
Joined: 19.06.07

Stephane Lebrun wrote:
The first fly should be Phaonia subventa (short-haired arista, t1 with one posterior seta, t2 with two post. setae).


Should I write the name as Phaonia cf. subventa?

No one mentioned anything about the last photo. Is it Phaonia?
 
www.flickr.com/photos/rui_andrade/
jorgemotalmeida
#10 Print Post
Posted on 28-12-2007 00:30
User Avatar

Member

Location: Viseu - PORTUGAL
Posts: 9296
Joined: 05.06.06

yep. Phaonia sp.

the first is Phaonia subventa almost sure as Stephane appointed very well.
 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/superegnum
Rui Andrade
#11 Print Post
Posted on 28-12-2007 01:03
User Avatar

Member

Location: Portugal
Posts: 3123
Joined: 19.06.07

Thanks JorgeSmile
 
www.flickr.com/photos/rui_andrade/
Jump to Forum:
Similar Threads
Thread Forum Replies Last Post
Phaonia pallida? Diptera (adults) 2 07-07-2025 12:55
Family ID => Phaonia valida? Diptera (adults) 6 02-07-2025 18:47
Muscidae->Phaonia? Diptera (adults) 4 01-07-2025 20:05
Muscidae(?) -> Anthomyiidae, Leucophora Diptera (adults) 5 30-06-2025 10:21
Muscidae->Helina evecta Diptera (adults) 3 29-06-2025 12:12
Date and time
10 July 2025 02:36
Login
Username

Password



Not a member yet?
Click here to register.

Forgotten your password?
Request a new one here.
Temporary email?
Due to fact this site has functionality making use of your email address, any registration using a temporary email address will be rejected.

Paul
Donate
Please, help to make
Diptera.info
possible and enable
further improvements!
Latest Articles
Syrph the Net
Those who want to have access to the Syrph the Net database need to sign the
License Agreement -
Click to Download


Public files of Syrph the Net can be downloaded HERE

Last updated: 25.08.2011
Shoutbox
You must login to post a message.

23.06.25 18:10
If you have some spare money, there is a copy (together with keys to pupae and larvae) for sale by Hermann L. Strack, Loguivy Plougras, France

23.06.25 11:18
Appreciate it, Tony Irwin! I got the hint to use the key next to Langton and Pinder key for females of Chironomidae. So no specific queries, except the keys... I will keep this on my list and hope th

19.06.25 15:33
I have the hard copy book, if you have any specific queries, but I'm not scanning the 500+ pages!

02.06.25 18:26
Anyone has "Chironomidae of the Holarctic region. Keys and diagnoses. Part 3. Adult Males Entomologica Scandinavica Supplement 34"? smolwaarneming@gma
il.com

28.05.25 20:57
I have Russian Coenosia. nikita6510@ya.ru

28.05.25 12:25
Is someone able to share with me "A key to the Russian species of the genus Coenosia"?

08.05.25 18:22
I have

03.05.25 08:35
Does someone has a scan of Nartshuk E.P. 2003. Key to families of Diptera (Insecta) of the fauna of Russian and adjacent countries. Proceedings of the Zoological Institute Vol. 294: 1-252 for me?

10.03.25 18:02
We are looking for a new webmaster https://diptera.in
fo/forum/viewthrea
d.php?thread_id=11
5023&rowstart=20

04.03.25 17:10
Please use the link posted below to remember and honour Paul, if you wish

Render time: 1.61 seconds | 230,729,556 unique visits